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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 12, 2013 at 10:53 am
(March 12, 2013 at 10:28 am)catfish Wrote: Seriously though, have I not been clear?
Is "zygote/fetus = human (individual)" ambiguous in some way that I'm not aware of? What am I missing here?
Well, apparently so, since it's unclear to you that just because you declare something to be so, doesn't make it so.
You can demand that we take your definition at face value all you want, but that doesn't make you right, it just makes you arrogant. You haven't provided any evidence for your position beyond repeated by fiat commands that we use your definition of what's human and a single vague diagram.
How is this even debate?
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 12, 2013 at 11:01 am
(March 12, 2013 at 10:05 am)catfish Wrote: zygote/fetus = human (individual)
Wrong.
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 12, 2013 at 11:09 am
Well, if he holds that having a cell is part of a religious argument, and if he holds that a zygote, which is the initial cell formed when two gamete cells are joined, then it goes into a loop.
Meaning, he holds that a single cell is a human, and that is his religious argument.
I'm glad we cleared that up.
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 12, 2013 at 11:50 am
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 12, 2013 at 11:57 am
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 12, 2013 at 12:08 pm
I fully accept a fetus is a potential person. I just don't understand how the mother, who has to carry and nurture said fetus in her body for at least 24 weeks to produce a viable, self-sustaining human being (and I'm being generous here, as babies born at 24 weeks have serious medical issues and need around the clock intensive medical care, hell, babies born at 35 weeks can have very serious problems), how can that woman's voice simply not matter or be discounted out of hand?
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 12, 2013 at 12:09 pm
12 weeks in arkansas. Kansas is making it's own plans. Onward Christian Soldiers!
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 12, 2013 at 12:10 pm
And that's counted from the last menstrual period, so knock off 2 weeks for gestational age of the fetus.
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 12, 2013 at 7:07 pm
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(March 12, 2013 at 11:50 am)pocaracas Wrote: The discussion of whether the zygote/embryo is human or not is, in my view, pointless. It's an attempt at rationalizing the thing, but, as cafish is showing, leads only to a discussion where each side becomes ever more polarized and eventually one just gives up arguing.
Not quite... It's an attempt at rationalizing the killing of the thing.
Perhaps you'd like to explore the definition of parasite? At what point does a human-parasite stop being a parasite?
(March 12, 2013 at 11:09 am)EGross Wrote: Well, if he holds that having a cell is part of a religious argument, and if he holds that a zygote, which is the initial cell formed when two gamete cells are joined, then it goes into a loop.
Meaning, he holds that a single cell is a human, and that is his religious argument.
I'm glad we cleared that up.
Holy fuck people. It was sarcasm directed at you for your numerous assertitions that abortion was a religious argument.
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(March 12, 2013 at 10:53 am)Esquilax Wrote: (March 12, 2013 at 10:28 am)catfish Wrote: Seriously though, have I not been clear?
Is "zygote/fetus = human (individual)" ambiguous in some way that I'm not aware of? What am I missing here?
Well, apparently so, since it's unclear to you that just because you declare something to be so, doesn't make it so.
You can demand that we take your definition at face value all you want, but that doesn't make you right, it just makes you arrogant. You haven't provided any evidence for your position beyond repeated by fiat commands that we use your definition of what's human and a single vague diagram.
How is this even debate?
I'm sorry, I forgot to ask your opinion too.
Is a human zygote/fetus a human, or some other species?
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 12, 2013 at 7:23 pm
(March 12, 2013 at 7:07 pm)catfish Wrote: (March 12, 2013 at 11:50 am)pocaracas Wrote: The discussion of whether the zygote/embryo is human or not is, in my view, pointless. It's an attempt at rationalizing the thing, but, as cafish is showing, leads only to a discussion where each side becomes ever more polarized and eventually one just gives up arguing.
Not quite... It's an attempt at rationalizing the killing of the thing.
Perhaps you'd like to explore the definition of parasite? At what point does a human-parasite stop being a parasite? Isn't that evident?
When it can function by it self, without the need for a host.
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