Muslims are starting to become annoying here

[KichigaiNeko]

It is a very sad thing apophenia. Unfortunately these fundie muslims claim to have the voice of ALL MUSLIMS in their demands to undermine the laws of the host countries.

What is lacking is the moderate muslims feeling comfortable to speak out but thanks to the zealot fundies they are unable to.

This is my current understanding of the issue.

[Aractus]

Nazi Germany ceased to exist almoust 70 years ago! The influence of fascism in German politics as a dominant factor ceased almoust 70 years ago! Germany is a republic with a democraticly elected goverment and abides to the standerds of international law!

Yep. Now if only we could convince USA to abide by international law...

The entire arab world is bogged up in a state of dictatorial tyranny, run or influenced by islamist halfwits.

FIXED that for you!

[Dawud]

Don't worry - its all been a mistake!

Easily done - the media picks unrepresentative nobodies just like above and puts them forward as representative.

The mellow reality that Muslims aren't really extremely different or even less human than the next person just isn't getting across.

The mellow existence of my own and the millions of other Muslims who disagree with such comments just isn't getting accross.

I like so many others want to live a good peaceful life and the vast majority if my values are identical with my fellow Chrisrian, Atheist and what ever else...

This mellow reality just isn't getting accross - Jews, Muslims, atheists, Christians have centuries of peaceful co-existence to look back on (using phenomenal events like the crucades to imply that Christians are genocidal would be wrong because for the cast majority if the time there have been peaceful pluralist societies). A pluralist society is new to the Weat but I know that if anywhere can do it - surely it can be done in Britain and America!

To say that Muslims blame rape victims just wouldn't be a constructive statement based on this - maybe some do but I doubt any more than the next Atheist or Christian.

We're all human and we've been getting on for years - I know that in my city of Glasgow Muslims and non-Muslims have been flourishing together for years in the effort of maintaining a just and peaceful society. Surely this is not just a Glaswegian phenomena? Surely it's not that peaceful co-existence of Muslims and non-Muslims in the west only works in Scotland (mind you Scotland is pretty amazing!)



I wish we could just chill and find out more about our fellow human instead if taking dodgy representatives and pretending it explains the whole.

Just cos an Atheist like Mao might kill countless innocents in the name if creating a religion free society - it doesn't mean that Atheists are murderers. I know this because I used to be an atheist and also maybe most of my friends are atheist - they are not murderers and Im sure they never will be.

Lets stop generalising and saying because you are a X then you will be Y about massive groups of people. Humans are far more complex than that and the generalising and demonisation of one massive group of people as 'the enemy' or incompatible with society is the route of genocide and other horrors.

Islam works in Glasgow thank God -why can't it work where you are - because of the Muslims or because of the lack if understanding?

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Apologies for the hundreds of typos!

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Bigoted people like to pretend that 'their people' are all good and the 'others' are just -all- a problem

[Aractus]

Dawud, I'm guessing you don't live in the Middle East?

[Dawud]

Ha!

I can't believe it.

I put a lovely post - without profanity or insult and now it's gone...

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Oh - there it is!

Yes Aractus - I live in Glasgow and it's great!

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So basically: it's not Muslims - it's those against democracy regardless of colour or creed be they Atheist or Buddhist or whatever

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* that was for TGAC:

Basically he's not so much against Muslims as against anti-democracy activists.

Arab spring = reclaiming of Arab lands from dictators backed by British and other western powers. Nice one! TGAC: are you pleasd that the Arabs are now beginning to chose their own government or would you prefer they were dictated to by an atheist state?

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Scary times if you think Muslims are inherently evil!

[Something completely different]

Don't worry - its all been a mistake!

Easily done - the media picks unrepresentative nobodies just like above and puts them forward as representative.

Well, here some facts:

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Terrorism

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1...in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/1...2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a-yea...r-iraq-war

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/0...fanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,...51,00.html

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/p...09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim...df#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/m...extremism/

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim...df#page=60

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.scotsman.com/?id=1956912005
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...amist.html

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.fosis.org.uk/sac/FullReport.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/200...0Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

See also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terrorism) for further statistics on Islamic terror.



al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden

Pew Research (2007): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (27% can’t make up their minds). Only 58% reject al-Qaeda outright.
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim...df#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (14% can’t make up their minds).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/m...extremism/

Pew Research (2011): 1 in 10 native-born Muslim-Americans have a favorable view of al-Qaeda.
http://people-press.org/2011/08/30/musli...extremism/

al-Jazeera (2006): 49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden
http://terrorism.about.com/b/2006/09/11/...-laden.htm

Pew Research: 59% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2003
41% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2007
56% of Jordanians support Osama bin Laden in 2003
http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/15/iran-te...erman.html

Pew Global: 51% of Palestinians support Osama bin Laden
54% of Muslim Nigerians Support Osama bin Laden
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/02/10/blinded-by-hate/
http://pewglobal.org/files/pdf/268.pdf

MacDonald Laurier Institute: 35% of Canadian Muslims would not repudiate al-Qaeda
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/str...-in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good...in-canada/

World Public Opinion: Muslim majorities agree with the al-Qaeda goal of Islamic law.
Muslim majorities agree with al-Qaeda goal of keeping Western values out of Islamic countries;
(Egypt: 88%; Indonesia 76%; Pakistan 60%; Morocco 64%)
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/p...09_rpt.pdf

ICM Poll: 13% of Muslim in Britain support al-Qaeda attacks on America.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/200...h-2004.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

World Public Opinion: Attitude toward Osama bin Laden:
Egypt: 44% positive, 17% negative, and 25% mixed feelings
Indonesia: 14% positive, 26% negative, 21% mixed feelings (39% did not answer)
Pakistan: 25% positive, 15% negative, 26% mixed feelings (34% did not answer)
Morocco: 27% positive, 21% negative, 26% mixed feelings
Jordanians, Palestinians, Turks and Azerbaijanis. Jordanians combined for: 27% positive, 20 percent negative, and 27 percent mixed feelings. (Palestinians 56% positive, 20% negative, 22 percent mixed feelings).
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/p...09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 49% of Nigerian Muslims have favorable view of al-Qaeda (34% unfavorable)
23% of Indonesians have favorable view of al-Qaeda (56% unfavorable)
34% of Jordanians have favorable view of al-Qaeda
25% of Indonesians have "confidence" in Osama bin Laden (59% had confidence in 2003)
1 in 5 Egyptians have "confidence" in Osama bin Laden
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/

Pew Research (2011): 22% of Indonesians have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (21% unfavorable)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/m...extremism/

Gallup: 51% of Pakistanis grieve Osama bin Laden (only 11% happy over death)
44% of Pakistanis viewed Osama bin Laden as a martyr (only 28% as an oulaw)
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011..._alli.html

Zogby International 2011: “Majorities in all six countries said they viewed the United States less favorably following the killing of the Al-Qaeda head [Osama bin Laden] in Pakistan”
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/art...926c28.c11
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/chec..._blog.html

Populus Survey: 18% of British Muslims would be proud or indifferent if a family member joined al-Qaeda.
http://www.populuslimited.com/poll_summa...es_ITV.htm
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

Policy Exchange (2006): 7% Muslims in Britain admire al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/...es/246.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist



9/11 Attacks

al-Arabiya: 36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed; 26% Unsure
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/0...66274.html

Gallup: 38.6% of Muslims believe 9/11 attacks were justified (7% "fully", 6.5% "mostly", 23.1% "partially")
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2008/05...slims.html
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templ...p?CID=1154

Pew Research (2011): Large majorities of Muslims believe in 9/11 conspiracy
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2066/muslims...ptember-11



Violence in Defense of Islam

40% of Indonesians approve of violence in defense of Islam.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailweek...060728.@03

Pew Global: 68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
13% of Indonesian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
12% of Jordanian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
7% of Muslim Israelis say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
http://cnsnews.com/node/53865 (Pew Global Attitudes Project September, 2009)

Center for Social Cohesion: One Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...a-law.html
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf

Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawO...ForAll.pdf

NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/1...2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

NOP Research: Hardcore Islamists comprise 9% of Britain's Muslim population;
Another 29% would "aggressively defend" Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/1...2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

Pew Research (2010): 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam
51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/

ICM Poll: 11% of British Muslims find violence for religious or political ends acceptable.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/200...0Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

Terrorism Research Institute Study: 51% of mosques in the U.S. have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence; 30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence; and 19% have no violent texts at all.
http://www.terrorismanalysts.com/pt/inde...urvey/html



Sharia (Islamic Law)

83% of Pakistanis support stoning adulterers
78% of Pakistanis support killing apostates
http://www.realcourage.org/2009/08/pakis...te-deaths/

Center for Social Cohesion: 40% of British Muslim students want Sharia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...a-law.html
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf

ICM Poll: 40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1...in-UK.html

GfK NOP: 28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawO...ForAll.pdf

NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/1...2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/str...-in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good...in-canada/

World Public Opinion: 81% of Egyptians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Pakistanis want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
49% (plurality) of Indonesians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Moroccans want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/p...09_rpt.pdf

World Public Opinion: 64% of Egyptians said it was “very important for the government” to “apply traditional punishments for crimes such as stoning adulterers.”
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/p...09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 77% of Egyptian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
58% of Jordanian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
36% of Indonesian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
82% of Pakistanis favor floggings and amputation
65% of Nigerian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/



Honor Killings

Turkish Ministry of Education: 1 in 4 Turks Support Honor Killings
http://www.realcourage.org/2009/03/turkey-war-on-women/
http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_ge...&bolum=100

Civitas: 1 in 3 Muslims in the UK strongly agree that a wife should be forced to obey her husband's bidding
http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVEY...wnload.pdf
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawO...ForAll.pdf

BBC Poll: 1 in 10 British Muslims support killing a family member over "dishonor".
http://www.expressandstar.com/blogs/pete...ur-nation/

Middle East Quarterly: 91 percent of honor killings are committed by Muslims worldwide.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/43207

95% of honor killings in the West are perpetrated by Muslim fathers and brothers or their proxies.
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011...tful-name/

A survey of Muslim women in Paris suburbs found that three-quarters of them wear their masks out of fear - including fear of violence.
http://www.nugget.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3402230

Two-thirds of young British Muslims agree that 'honor' violence is acceptable.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...veals.html



Assimilation

Muslims have highest claimed disability rates in the UK (24% of men, 21% of women)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...a-law.html

2011: 16% of UK prisoners in 2010 are Muslim (Muslims comprise about 3% of the total population)
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress...500798601A

Pakistani Muslims in the UK are three times more likely to be unemployed than Hindus. Indian Muslims are twice as likely to be unemployed as Indian Hindus.
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/daniel-gree...failure/2/

Policy Exchange: 1 in 4 Muslims in the UK have never heard of the Holocaust;
Only 34% of British Muslims believe the Holocaust ever happened.
http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVEY...wnload.pdf
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawO...ForAll.pdf

Policy Exchange: 51% of British Muslims believe a woman cannot marry a non-Muslim
Only 51% believe a Muslim woman may marry without a guardian's consent
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawO...ForAll.pdf

Policy Exchange: Up to 52% of British Muslims believe a Muslim man is entitled to up to four wives
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawO...ForAll.pdf

Policy Exchange: 61% of British Muslims want homosexuality punished
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawO...ForAll.pdf

NOP Research: 62% of British Muslims do not believe in the protection of free speech;
Only 3% adopt a "consistently pro-freedom of speech line"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/1...2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

ICM Poll: 58% of British Muslims believe insulting Islam should result in criminal prosecution
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/200...0Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

Pew Global (2006): Only 7% of British Muslims think of themselves as British first (81% say 'Muslim' rather than 'Briton')
http://pewglobal.org/reports/pdf/254.pdf

Policy Exchange (2006): 31% Muslims in Britain identify more with Muslims in other countries than with non-Muslim Brits.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/...es/246.pdf

Die Welt (2012): 46% of Muslims in Germany hope there will eventually be more Muslims than Christians in Germany.
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/a...rheit.html

Ipsos MORI: Muslims are 3 times as likely as Christians to believe that their religion is the only way.
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/re.../28257.htm

Pew Research (2011): Muslim-Americans four times more likely to say that women should not work outside the home.
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/s...al-values/

Pew Research (2007): 26% of Muslim-Americans want to be distinct (43% support assimilation)
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim...df#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 20% of Muslim-Americans want to be distinct (56% support assimilation)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/m...extremism/

Pew Research (2011): 49% of Muslim-Americans say they are "Muslim first" (26% American first)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/m...extremism/

Pew Research (2011): 21% of Muslim-Americans say there is a fair to great amount of support for Islamic extremism in their community.
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/s...gn-policy/

ICM Poll: 11% of British Muslims find violence for political ends acceptable
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/200...0Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

Wenzel Strategies (2012): 58% of Muslim-Americans believe criticism of Islam or Muhammad is not protected free speech under the First Amendment.
45% believe mockers of Islam should face criminal charges (38% said they should not).
12% of Muslim-Americans believe blaspheming Islam should be punishable by death.
43% of Muslim-Americans believe people of other faiths have no right to evangelize Muslims.
32% of Muslims in America believe that Sharia should be the supreme law of the land.
http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2012/10...xpression/
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2012/10/...lieve.html

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Oh NO!!!! Did I just piss on your cake by making your argument invalid?

The mellow reality that Muslims aren't really extremely different or even less human than the next person just isn't getting across.

Which was never my fucking point!

It is the cultural dominance of islam which makes you people so unacceptable in a civilised country.

The mellow existence of my own and the millions of other Muslims who disagree with such comments just isn't getting accross.

millions of muslims..........

Of which most live in dictatorships which are of their own fault!!!
And I have posted the studies pissing on the "radical minority" argument.

I like so many others want to live a good peaceful life and the vast majority if my values are identical with my fellow Chrisrian, Atheist and what ever else...

Well how nice of you.

Yet even a child understands that a exception never proves a rule.

This mellow reality just isn't getting accross - Jews, Muslims, atheists, Christians have centuries of peaceful co-existence to look back on (using phenomenal events like the crucades to imply that Christians are genocidal would be wrong because for the cast majority if the time there have been peaceful pluralist societies). A pluralist society is new to the Weat but I know that if anywhere can do it - surely it can be done in Britain and America!

I think there has been nothing as antisemetic and agressive towards others on this planet since the fall of nazi germany than political islam.
blowing themselves up in Israeli cities, flying planes into towers and violently trying to force their shitty rules on sociaty.

Ironical, today the UN general essembly past an amendment which guaranteed all women equal rights to men.

Guess why it took so long to pass? Because muslim nations boycotted it to the last.

Your religion and the countries in which your religion rules, is a threat to mankind itself!

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/fr...89241.html

To say that Muslims blame rape victims just wouldn't be a constructive statement based on this - maybe some do but I doubt any more than the next Atheist or Christian.

DERP!!!

The very "holy book" you cherrish sooo much never speaks out against nore punishes rape and sometimes seems to be quite alright with it!:

http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Rape_in_Islam

What you do, is your assimilation to the laws of the land you live in! In some way, the gangraping muslims who raped the Indian woman 2 months ago, are far better muslims that you for following their "holy book".

We're all human and we've been getting on for years - I know that in my city of Glasgow Muslims and non-Muslims have been flourishing together for years in the effort of maintaining a just and peaceful society. Surely this is not just a Glaswegian phenomena? Surely it's not that peaceful co-existence of Muslims and non-Muslims in the west only works in Scotland (mind you Scotland is pretty amazing!)

We are human and we have never been getting on for years, especialy with gangrapists and idiots who fly planes into skyscrapers.
And no! Polls clearly show that these are not in the minority!
If you had any kind of guts, you wouldnt waste your time making post in which you try to paint a happy colorfull picture, but you would actualy spak out against the disgracefull culture which political islam has brought into this world!

I wish we could just chill and find out more about our fellow human instead if taking dodgy representatives and pretending it explains the whole.

Yeah! And sit by a campfire and sing stupid songs!
I guess we would be one giant fucking step closer to that when your sharia fanatic moron brothers in religion would finaly start learning how to eat with knife and fork (or chopsticks)

Just cos an Atheist like Mao might kill countless innocents in the name if creating a religion free society - it doesn't mean that Atheists are murderers. I know this because I used to be an atheist and also maybe most of my friends are atheist - they are not murderers and Im sure they never will be.

Where did Mao kill millions to create a "religion free sociaty"?
Can you prove this!!!

Because the history books tell something completly different!
Dont throw arround the dreamt up constructs of you weak appolegetic mind as if they were facts!

The only countrie which ever outlawed religion were Albania and North Korea!

And the millions which died under Mao, died during "the great leap forward" - which caused the great chinese famin - which had completly economic goals.

And the cultural revolution was Mao`s attempt to regain power in the Chinese polit buerau.

Learn some history before writing what your mind farts!!!

Lets stop generalising and saying because you are a X then you will be Y about massive groups of people. Humans are far more complex than that and the generalising and demonisation of one massive group of people as 'the enemy' or incompatible with society is the route of genocide and other horrors.

I am not generalising, I am using statistics! And these statistics dont go away by painting those who realise their existance as xenophobic!

Islam works in Glasgow thank God -why can't it work where you are - because of the Muslims or because of the lack if understanding?

got another sweet and useless story to tell?

Bigoted people like to pretend that 'their people' are all good and the 'others' are just -all- a problem

Hey! Point out where I said that "my people" were the shining example of humanity!?

You cannot! Because I didnt! Your strawman was Flammenwerferd!

I pointed out the disgusting results of what happened when the culture of political islam crept into europe and becoming the replacement of the diyng fascist movements!

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* that was for TGAC:

Basically he's not so much against Muslims as against anti-democracy activists.

Arab spring = reclaiming of Arab lands from dictators backed by British and other western powers. Nice one! TGAC: are you pleasd that the Arabs are now beginning to chose their own government or would you prefer they were dictated to by an atheist state?

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Scary times if you think Muslims are inherently evil!

Oh yeah.
The beautifull arab spring!

Which brought the muslim brotherhood to power in egypt - where recently female genital mutilation was legalised! where critical journalists are beaten! and where the thugs of the muslim brotherhood hunt down the opposition!

Tunisia! where dancing has been forbidden in public buildings! where salafists destroy the graves of WW2 veterans! where opposition figures are murdered! where salafist thugs roam violently through the streets!

Do you really thing that these countries are in any fucking way compareable to these savage holes!!!!!!!!!!

The only thing you can compare are the islamic imigrant thugs causing trouble in europe!

[Angrboda]

I don't know, Germans. Sounds pretty racist to me.

I'm not suggesting that Muslims aren't a problem. IRA members who planted bombs were equally a problem. Shipping the Irish to some remote location was not a solution.

In World War II, many of my people were shipped across country, and put in internment camps, without recourse to law or their rights as U.S. citizens. Simply because non-Japanese were afraid of them and hated them.

You're suggesting something that is little different. What difference is there? An internment camp, or their native country. You just want to get rid of people you don't like.

You're conflating the problems of nations and international politics with those of individuals and immigration.

You don't like the views of Muslims and some Muslim immigrants, so instead of using the tools of politics, law, and social discourse, which are the accepted tools of any pluralistic society, you want to use immigration policy to enforce your political views. That's a cheap, effective solution, but it also makes you as unpluralistic and anti-democratic as they are. Just because evil doesn't wear a turban doesn't make it any less evil.

Here in America, there is hatred and resentment of Mexicans. So people want to close the borders and send any undocumenteds back to Mexico. It's the same deal. People want to deal with their unease with accommodating people who are different than they are by using immigration policy and inflammatory racist rhetoric.

Playing the race card is not wrong if racism is being used to support indefensible policies. And playing the "you're just playing the race card" card has become a convenient way for racists to stifle criticism of their racism. Fuck you.

A report by General DeWitt and Colonel Bendetsen depicting racist bias against Japanese Americans was circulated and then hastily redacted in 1943–1944. The report stated flatly that, because of their race, it was impossible to determine the loyalty of Japanese Americans, thus necessitating internment. The original version was so offensive – even in the atmosphere of the wartime 1940s – that Bendetsen ordered all copies to be destroyed.

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I don't know, Germans. Sounds pretty racist to me.

I'm not suggesting that Muslims aren't a problem. IRA members who plant bombs are equally a problem. But you don't recommend shipping the Irish back home.

You're conflating the problems of nations and international politics with those of individuals and immigration.

You don't like the views of Muslims and some Muslim immigrants, so instead of using the tools of politics, law, and social discourse, which are the accepted tools of any pluralistic society, you want to use immigration policy to enforce your political views. That's a cheap, effective solution, but it also makes you as unpluralistic and anti-democratic as they are. Just because evil doesn't wear a turban doesn't make it any less evil.

Here in America, there is hatred and resentment of Mexicans. So people want to close the borders and send any undocumenteds back to Mexico. It's the same deal. People want to deal with their unease with accommodating people who are different than they are by using immigration policy and inflammatory racist rhetoric.

Playing the race card is not wrong if racism is being used to support indefensible policies. And playing the "you're just playing the race card" card has become a convenient way for racists to stifle criticism of their racism. Fuck you.

This is what I was trying to get across earlier (but failed miserably) Thanks for eloquently putting words to my thoughts

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I don't know, Germans. Sounds pretty racist to me.

Racist would be if I would call them out for being uncapable to modernise. Or uncapable to modernise by themselves.

I'm not suggesting that Muslims aren't a problem. IRA members who plant bombs are equally a problem. But you don't recommend shipping the Irish back home.

Bad example

Because most of them planted their bombs at home.

You're conflating the problems of nations and international politics with those of individuals and immigration.

Why not? Sociaty is not a stiff alignment of segments in which non of these segments interact. A sociaty is like a woven carpet in motion - in which every aspect is influenced by another.

And my thesis is as following: The Islamic culture in the current Islamic world, caused throught all factores dominant in shaping the sociaties and cultures - does not fit together with modern western principles.
And those who believe they can import these to a western country - should get kicked out!
In alot of european countries, the formation of organisations which are dedicated to overthrow democracy and the rule of law is a punishable offence. Neo fascists aswell as communists therefor often find themselves in prison - this should be extended to islamists.

You don't like the views of Muslims and some Muslim immigrants, so instead of using the tools of politics, law, and social discourse, which are the accepted tools of any pluralistic society, you want to use immigration policy to enforce your political views. That's a cheap, effective solution, but it also makes you as unpluralistic and anti-democratic as they are. Just because evil doesn't wear a turban doesn't make it any less evil.

In order to participate in a pluralistic sociaty, one must accept that pluralism , and become part of it - by respecting the existance of others and the moral values and laws which guarantee the participation of veryone within a pluralistic sociaty.

If one does not do so, it is justifyable to use juristicial methods to exclude these from pluralism - who would use it to abolish it.

Especialy considering 20th century european history - I think it is a right move to take.

Here in America, there is hatred and resentment of Mexicans. So people want to close the borders and send any undocumenteds back to Mexico. It's the same deal. People want to deal with their unease with accommodating people who are different than they are by using immigration policy and inflammatory racist rhetoric.

Not the same thing.

Mexicans dont hold deep disregard for pluralism and democracy.

Playing the race card is not wrong if racism is being used to support indefensible policies. And playing the "you're just playing the race card" card has become a convenient way for racists to stifle criticism of their racism. Fuck you.

Being offended of cultural "values" formed under the strong influence of a religion - is not racist.
Seeking to inable people who would abolish democracy - is not racist.

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Now you're just pulling shit out of your ass.

No one person, group, ideology or bloc gets to decide what society is for everyone. Everyone decides. That's pluralism. That makes you as unpluralistic as them.

Please report for internment. Your values offend me and are a danger to a pluralistic society.