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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
March 28, 2013 at 10:06 pm
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(March 28, 2013 at 8:50 pm)ThomM Wrote: ...where ONE god is the creator - is that the creator it the ONLY power to create - and must have created everything - GOOD and EVIL. False. Evil is a negation, the lack of the Good that ought to be there. Evil is really nothing at all. Since it is nothing, it cannot be created. Thus God cannot create evil.
(March 28, 2013 at 8:47 pm)catfish Wrote: So you agree that one doesn't have to believe Jesus as savior then? It's called the 'problem of the heathens'. Salvation is not a formula. It comes from responding to the spiritual light of the Lord. People and cultures that have not been exposed to the Gospel message are not damned. The Lord's mercy credits them with their acceptance of and faithfulness to the truths to which they have been exposed. Since truth only comes by means of our Lord, the heathens are in one sense, receiving Christ, even if they are not fully aware of the ultimate source.
(March 28, 2013 at 9:45 pm)Joel Wrote: ...It's not like darkness is the absence of light. God created evil. If darkness is not the absence of light, then what is it? How exactly does one go about measuring darkness? (evetually atheists like you retreat into absurdity...)
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
March 28, 2013 at 10:56 pm
"It doesn't matter if it means evil, or wrong doing ... God created it."
Yes, God "creates" bad things like hurricanes and diseases and whatnot. By allowing them to happen they are in accordance with his will. However, these bad things are not evil. He did not create murder. He did not create lying. He did not create prejudice. He did not create bullying. He did not create rape. He did not create death.
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
March 28, 2013 at 10:58 pm
(March 28, 2013 at 10:56 pm)Tex Wrote: He did not create murder. He did not create lying. He did not create prejudice. He did not create bullying. He did not create rape. He did not create death.
He does allow all those things to occur without stepping in to help. Prayers go unanswered all the time. That, in my book, makes him as evil as evil can be.
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
March 28, 2013 at 10:58 pm
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Sorry, Chad, I didn't mean it like that. I meant it's not the same as darkness being the absence of light.
As in, evil is not just the absence of good.
(March 30, 2013 at 9:51 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: Never read anything immoral in the Qur'an.
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
March 28, 2013 at 11:13 pm
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(March 28, 2013 at 10:58 pm)Mr Infidel Wrote: He does allow all those things to occur without stepping in to help. Prayers go unanswered all the time. That, in my book, makes him as evil as evil can be. On what basis do you call God evil? Aren't you one of the folks that don't believe in good and evil...that morality is either a convention or a by-product of natural selection.
(March 28, 2013 at 10:58 pm)Joel Wrote: Sorry, Chad, I didn't mean it like that. I meant it's not the same as darkness being the absence of light.
As in, evil is not just the absence of good. So by what criteria do you distinguish between the categories of good and what is evil? What makes one separate and distinct from the other?
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
March 28, 2013 at 11:17 pm
(March 28, 2013 at 11:13 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: On what basis do you call God evil? Aren't you one of the folks that don't believe in good and evil...that morality is either a convention or a by-product of natural selection.
I consider god evil on the basis that he is a tyrannical monster as described in the bible. The horrific things he has done does not make him an all loving, merciful being.
I do not believe in the supernatural definition of good and evil, as in holy wars between angels and demons over the souls of humanity, but I do believe that people can be just as evil as they can be good in their actions and how they treat others. Religion, after all, does not hold a monopoly over morality.
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
March 28, 2013 at 11:30 pm
"He does allow all those things to occur without stepping in to help. Prayers go unanswered all the time. That, in my book, makes him as evil as evil can be."
According to the story (which I think is mythological), he did for Adam and Eve. They would have been protected from all harm had they been in danger. Even more so, God walked in that garden too. He wouldn't want it trashed up by some hurricane. After sin, the protection he offered he retracted. He would come step in and help if we weren't such buttholes to him. He's done a little bit, which isn't a remedy that will see immediate work, but will end up resurrecting us later. All of us. Even those that don't believe. Those that believe receive the blessing of their belief: purification and eternal Life. Those that don't believe don't receive the extras. The two groups are then separated. End of story.
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
March 28, 2013 at 11:33 pm
(March 28, 2013 at 11:30 pm)Tex Wrote: After sin, the protection he offered he retracted. He would come step in and help if we weren't such buttholes to him.
Except that according to biblical mythology, he did step in again. Many times, the great flood being one of them.
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
March 28, 2013 at 11:47 pm
Yes, he does step in occasionally. He does not step in for everyone, every time. With the flood, he told one guy so the species would survive. That one guy eventually died too though. He can help everyone, and will again, but not now.
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
March 28, 2013 at 11:48 pm
(March 28, 2013 at 11:47 pm)Tex Wrote: Yes, he does step in occasionally. He does not step in for everyone, every time.
Then how can he be a good god, ignoring the plight of a young child who desperately needs his assistance?
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