Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?

[Tonus]

Yeshua explained and pointed out the difference between "Moses' law" and "God's law" by citing the case of divorce and circumcising on the Sabbath.

So you are saying that god's law would have made sacrifice unnecessary? Or only so in some cases? I admit I'm not following you.

[catfish]

Yeshua explained and pointed out the difference between "Moses' law" and "God's law" by citing the case of divorce and circumcising on the Sabbath.

So you are saying that god's law would have made sacrifice unnecessary? Or only so in some cases? I admit I'm not following you.

From what I've read, God speaks through a phrophet and specifically stated that sacrifices were never commanded to Moses (Isaiah). So if the Bible is a true representation of reality like people want to insist, then the only logical conclusion is that Moses' laws concerning sacrifices were man-made.

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But you also have to remember that Jewish tradition had it that blood sacrifice was only applicable to unintentional sin. I.E. unknowingly eating pork or some other unclean act without knowledge.
Prayer and repentance was prescribed for intentional sins.

[Tonus]

From what I've read, God speaks through a phrophet and specifically stated that sacrifices were never commanded to Moses (Isaiah). So if the Bible is a true representation of reality like people want to insist, then the only logical conclusion is that Moses' laws concerning sacrifices were man-made.

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But you also have to remember that Jewish tradition had it that blood sacrifice was only applicable to unintentional sin. I.E. unknowingly eating pork or some other unclean act without knowledge.
Prayer and repentance was prescribed for intentional sins.

Ah, okay. I wasn't taught that, but cannot recall any teaching that repudiates it either. I'll read up and see if I can find anything. Thanks.

[catfish]

Ah, okay. I wasn't taught that, but cannot recall any teaching that repudiates it either. I'll read up and see if I can find anything. Thanks.

http://www.jewfaq.org/qorbanot.htm

[Tonus]

http://www.jewfaq.org/qorbanot.htm

Thank you. This is, then, the Jewish approach to sacrifice*. Now I'm even more curious as to what jstrodel's response would be to my post regarding Mark 2:5.



*Edit to add: Ack, you mentioned this in a previous response, and I glossed over it. Apologies.

[catfish]

My bad, I misattributed the quote to Isaiah...

Jeremiah 7:21-23
King James Version (KJV)

21 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.

22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

[AnonyMoose]

I believe that the original scriptures describe the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, as the most beautiful act in history, that the tradition has faithfully represented the original intention by God.

Are you Jewish? Neat. I was interested in converting to Judaism before I became a Christian. Why do you think those things? What makes you think blood sacrifice is wrong?

I was born and raised a Russian Jew in Little Odessa, and I cannot imagine anyone wanting to become Jewish. For one, while everyone else was out playing and having a wonderful life, it was Hebrew School year after year, day in day out, and Hebrew Day Camp all summer. Who wants that amount of religion poured down their throats? And did I mention they feed you borscht all the time? Beets are like eating painted dirt. For two, being Jewish is two components - one is the religion, but the other is that we are Semites from a specific tribe and our DNA comes from one of those tribes. We are told at birth which tribe. So you could believe in our religion but you still might feel a bit outcast because you aren't genetically like we are.

As an adult I am somewhere between atheist and deist, but if I suddenly found out that religions existed I think an Abrahamic religion would be the last one on my list to side with just because of the effort to be a Jew or Muslim. I would probably pick something fairly easy without too much restrictive dogma. Have you read the 613 laws (mitzvot)? Some are beyond idiotic. Who would want to live by those?

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Necessity: Christ's death was necessary to pay for the sins of the world because God's holy character requires a sacrifice for sin.

Necessary as defined by who? Is there any empirical evidence that there is a single god that caused this universe to exist, that this god has a "holy character" (what is that definition?!?!), or that sin requires sacrifice? Or did a group of bishops led by Constantine make up that dogma in Nicea in 325 AD? I guess that takes us back to concepts like biblical inerrancy or a Pope being the vicar of Christ. Why do a few men get to make all the rules, and then for tens of centuries why do billions of humans have to take all of that as absolute truth?

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So if the Bible is a true representation of reality like people want to insist, then the only logical conclusion is that Moses' laws concerning sacrifices were man-made.

It comes down to two major considerations, IMHO.

1) Moses was just a man, and you have to decide if either he wrote the first five books of Tanakh or if god handed those to Moses at Sinai and in a portable tent called "The Tabernacle" that was schlepped around throughout the entire exodus from Egypt to Canaan by a bunch of folks.

2) You have to decide if you believe in the inerrancy of not only Moses (item 1), but in Judaism we are supposed to believe in two Torahs. The written one AND the oral one. And clearly, the oral Torah is rabbinical narratives that ended up in Talmud and Mishrash. So the question is if those centuries of Rebbis talking to each other are controlled for accuracy by a living god, or if it's the phone game.

My personal view is that this is all man-made and that no gods are necessary for defining laws or universal rules.

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God is the nicest person that you could ever meet. I love God. God is my best friend.

I just want to be clear here on something you are saying:
1) So god is a person (a living human)?
2) You have met this person?
3) He is now your best friend?

Can you tell me where you met, what he said, how many times you have met him, and what he has done for you that would qualify him as your best friend?

[tokutter]

Put your objections in formal logic, I don't want to write a response to a one line profanity filled remark

Why do you blaspheme? What are you trying to prove?

(My bolding)
Seriously, your asking this question on an atheist website????

[jstrodel]

It is impossible for atheists to be decent people?

[Autumnlicious]

Is it possible for you to have better self control over use of generalities?