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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
March 19, 2013 at 12:19 am
(March 19, 2013 at 12:02 am)jstrodel Wrote: Quote:What was taught in the Bible (OT) is that no man can be ransomed and the NT taught that everyone gets judged and all one needs to do to obtain eternal (aeonian) life is to visit the widows in their infliction blah, blah, blah...
In Isaiah 53 it says "all we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned everyone to his own way and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all". Have you read that? In the Old Testament it talk a lot about the sacrifices that are made to atone for sins. Have you ever read the book of Hebrews?
And this is what I meant earlier... You are going to sit here and tell me that your interpretation is correct.
Isaiah 6:6-7 King James Version (KJV)
6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:
7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.
Hey, that seems like a lot less of a pagan practice than human sacrifice does. Remember them damn heathens that sent their children through the fire for attonement of their sins? The more innocent, the better the attonement. Sacrifice is evil and especially human/deity sacrifice.
Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
March 19, 2013 at 12:26 am
How do you know what is pagan and what is divine? Where does any of what you have posted say that Christs death on the cross was pagan?
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
March 19, 2013 at 12:43 am
(March 19, 2013 at 12:26 am)jstrodel Wrote: How do you know what is pagan and what is divine? Where does any of what you have posted say that Christs death on the cross was pagan?
How? God put his laws in my heart and gave me a brain to use, that's how. What convinced you that sacrifice was righteous?
(and I never said his death was pagan, I said human/deity sacrifice for attonement of sin was pagan)
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
March 19, 2013 at 2:30 pm
(This post was last modified: March 19, 2013 at 2:31 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 18, 2013 at 11:37 pm)jstrodel Wrote: God makes the blood sacrifice though in Jesus Christ. What do you object to about it?
Its necessity, it's efficacy, the manner in which it achieves its effect, the manner in which it was carried out, the justifications given for it's being carried out, the lack of consent on the part of it's supposed beneficiaries, the implication of their communal culpability for it's being carried out, the erosion of the fundamental concepts it is supposed to have addressed if it -were- carried out and -was- effective....and finally, that people keep telling this bullshit story as though it actually happened.
In short, I object to everything about it. Go chain your goats to posts and beat them to death all day long, maybe the bad things won't "get you", I'll pass.
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
March 19, 2013 at 2:45 pm
(March 19, 2013 at 2:30 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (March 18, 2013 at 11:37 pm)jstrodel Wrote: God makes the blood sacrifice though in Jesus Christ. What do you object to about it?
Its necessity, it's efficacy, the manner in which it achieves its effect, the manner in which it was carried out, the justifications given for it's being carried out, the lack of consent on the part of it's supposed beneficiaries, the implication of their communal culpability for it's being carried out, the erosion of the fundamental concepts it is supposed to have addressed if it -were- carried out and -was- effective....and finally, that people keep telling this bullshit story as though it actually happened.
In short, I object to everything about it. Go chain your goats to posts and beat them to death all day long, maybe the bad things won't "get you", I'll pass.
Cue the apologetics to explain that scapegoating is not really scapegoating in 1... 2... 3...
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
March 19, 2013 at 7:57 pm
(March 18, 2013 at 11:27 pm)jstrodel Wrote: When you walk in the Holy Ghost you get to know H'Shem better. It is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit if you reject God permanently. HaShem just means "the name" and is a stand in for not pronouncing the Tetragrammaton. Christian texts translate it as the LORD.
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
March 19, 2013 at 8:02 pm
Fancy words and fancy hats Chad - this stuff is important to a certain subset.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
March 19, 2013 at 8:14 pm
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I just find his use of the term odd.
(March 19, 2013 at 12:19 am)catfish Wrote: Remember them damn heathens that sent their children through the fire for attonement of their sins? The more innocent, the better the attonement. Sacrifice is evil and especially human/deity sacrifice. That's partly why I don't subscribe to sacrificial atonement.
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
March 19, 2013 at 8:23 pm
(March 19, 2013 at 7:57 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (March 18, 2013 at 11:27 pm)jstrodel Wrote: When you walk in the Holy Ghost you get to know H'Shem better. It is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit if you reject God permanently. HaShem just means "the name" and is a stand in for not pronouncing the Tetragrammaton. Christian texts translate it as the LORD.
It's kind of ironic to avoid the use of god's personal name while talking about getting to know him better.
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
March 19, 2013 at 8:33 pm
Quote:I was interested in converting to Judaism before I became a Christian.
Better choice. You don't have to whittle down your dick.
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