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Did Jesus Exist?
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Did Jesus Exist?
What Jesus a real man or a fictional character? And what evidence is there, either way?
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" - Edward Gibbon (Offen misattributed to Lucius Annaeus Seneca or Seneca the Younger) (Thanks to apophenia for the correction)
'I am driven by two main philosophies:
Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
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#2
RE: Did Jesus Exist?
Oh, fuck. Not this again?


http://atheistforums.org/thread-10260-po...#pid213719
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#3
RE: Did Jesus Exist?
And many more below:


http://atheistforums.org/thread-16608.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-10260.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-17985.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-17126.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-567.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-4164.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-5182.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-7980.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-6744.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-10498.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-3716.html

Big Grin
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#4
RE: Did Jesus Exist?
Why do you suppose that this is an either-or sorta situation?

As a fictional character: Jesus was a real man. As apposed to a sissy-boy. Also, he was scottish.
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
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RE: Did Jesus Exist?
(April 3, 2013 at 12:54 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: What Jesus a real man or a fictional character? And what evidence is there, either way?

Short answer? Is

No and

No
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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RE: Did Jesus Exist?
Big Grin


Quote:Kudos given by (2): Drich, DeistPaladin


Rare to see such wide-spectrum approval!
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#7
RE: Did Jesus Exist?
I only ask because a guy was saying there were two guys outside of the bible who mentioned him: Josephus and Tacitus, any thoughts?
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" - Edward Gibbon (Offen misattributed to Lucius Annaeus Seneca or Seneca the Younger) (Thanks to apophenia for the correction)
'I am driven by two main philosophies:
Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
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RE: Did Jesus Exist?
(April 3, 2013 at 3:02 am)Rayaan Wrote: And many more below:


http://atheistforums.org/thread-16608.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-10260.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-17985.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-17126.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-567.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-4164.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-5182.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-7980.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-6744.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-10498.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-3716.html

Big Grin

And don't forget my debate on a strongly related topic, "Are the Gospels Based on a True Story?"
http://atheistforums.org/thread-15499.html

And it's related discussion thread:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-15500.html

(April 3, 2013 at 4:26 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: I only ask because a guy was saying there were two guys outside of the bible who mentioned him: Josephus and Tacitus, any thoughts?

And here's my post on that topic:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-10260-po...#pid213905
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
...      -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
...       -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
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RE: Did Jesus Exist?
(April 3, 2013 at 4:26 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: I only ask because a guy was saying there were two guys outside of the bible who mentioned him: Josephus and Tacitus, any thoughts?



Tacitus - probably a later forgery anyway - does not mention anyone named "jesus." Only "Christ," and "Christians" ... maybe. ( He may well have written "Chrestians."

Josephus is a 4th century forgery.

Jesus freaks don't care if they are lied to as long as the lies are what they want to hear.
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RE: Did Jesus Exist?
Doesn't matter if such a guy existed. He was not a god nor the son thereof.
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