How do you know God isn't dead?

[Statler Waldorf]

And include 'fictitious'.

Why?

[Zarith]

And include 'fictitious'.

Why?

Because man invented him, just like all the other fictitious gods.

[Statler Waldorf]

Because man invented him, just like all the other fictitious gods.

How do you know that?

[Zarith]

Because man invented him, just like all the other fictitious gods.

How do you know that?

I don't. It's what I believe to be the most likely explanation.

[Statler Waldorf]

I don't. It's what I believe to be the most likely explanation.

Ok, well you seemed pretty certain there, I am glad you backed off of that position. Men inventing a god that doesn’t allow them to have sex with as many women as they want doesn’t seem very likely to me.

[Zarith]

I don't. It's what I believe to be the most likely explanation.

Ok, well you seemed pretty certain there, I am glad you backed off of that position.

I didn't back off anything, I just don't feel the need to preface everything I believe with 'I believe'.

Men inventing a god that doesn’t allow them to have sex with as many women as they want doesn’t seem very likely to me.

'Man' in this case refers to 'humanity' or 'mankind', I think you were probably aware of this but chose to go with the other sense of the word.

Leaving that aside, you believe in almost as many invented gods and/or belief systems as I do. Not all of these teach that males can have 'sex with as many women as they want'. So, you should probably rethink your position on how likely such an invention is.

[pocaracas]

dammit, we're getting into another mega post quote thing...
Good thing I'm going on holidays, so I won't reply tomorrow

Holidays? You must live in the UK?

er... close... not really, but... closer than you, I guess.

I don't think it does... how is an atheist view of reality "logically inconsistent and incoherent"?

There’s so many different examples, choose anything and it will work as an example. Science, logic, human dignity, justice, classes, types, sensory perception, predication- none of it makes sense in a purely natural and material Universe and yet it all makes perfect sense in a Universe created by Yahweh.

LOL.
ok, let's start with your first guess.
Science. How does science lead to a "logically inconsistent and incoherent" view of reality? Last I checked, science was humanity's foremost window into reality.

The same for a muslim's?

For different reasons but yes, but since you’re not a Muslim we’ll stick to what you and I believe.

Have I told you I'd like to see you and Muslim Scholar have a chat?

[Cyberman]

Men inventing a god that doesn’t allow them to have sex with as many women as they want doesn’t seem very likely to me.

How about men inventing a god that doesn't allow you to have sex with as many women as you want?

[Zarith]

Men inventing a god that doesn’t allow them to have sex with as many women as they want doesn’t seem very likely to me.

How about men inventing a god that doesn't allow you to have sex with as many women as you want?

How did I miss that? Well played, Stimbo. LOL

[Statler Waldorf]

I didn't back off anything, I just don't feel the need to preface everything I believe with 'I believe'.

Well if you had said simply that you believe man invented God then I wouldn’t have challenged you because you holding that belief does not prove that man in fact invented God. You acted as if you knew man had invented God, and that I had to challenge.

Leaving that aside, you believe in almost as many invented gods and/or belief systems as I do. Not all of these teach that males can have 'sex with as many women as they want'. So, you should probably rethink your position on how likely such an invention is.

I am not aware of any religion that admonishes sexual promiscuity as severely as Judaism and Christianity.

er... close... not really, but... closer than you, I guess.

Twas just a guess

ok, let's start with your first guess.
Science. How does science lead to a "logically inconsistent and incoherent" view of reality? Last I checked, science was humanity's foremost window into reality.

That’s not what I said; the atheist cannot make sense of his/her use of science. More precisely, that in a purely natural Universe science would be impossible. Science requires that trials under identical or similar conditions will yield identical or similar results. If I drop a ball in Kansas it will behave the same as if I drop it the next day in Kansas, or the same day in Tennessee, or a year later in Tennessee. The Christian can make perfect sense of this principle because in His view of reality we live in a Universe that is uniformly upheld by God in a predictable manner. The atheist on the other hand, has no justification for this principle and yet without it science is impossible. Another example, science requires that our senses and memory are generally reliable, and yet we see the same problem arising. The Christian has reasons to trust his or her senses and memory because in his or her view of reality we are all the product of a rational God who has created us and desires for us to learn about Him through our senses. In a purely atheistic Universe there is no reason for a person to trust their senses or memory, all attempts to justify this position lead to vicious circularity. I am not saying atheists do not do science; I am saying atheists do science because their atheism is wrong.

Have I told you I'd like to see you and Muslim Scholar have a chat?

Nope, you’ve never told me that before; but that would not make your atheism anymore valid since Muslims and Christians are both theists.

How about men inventing a god that doesn't allow you to have sex with as many women as you want?

No, the supposed inventors of the religion followed that same religion; this isn’t Mormonism or the Branch Davidians where the founders claimed that they were allowed to break the rules because of their advancement in the faith. You’d have to demonstrate that the so-called inventors of the religion themselves did not practice the religion, and since you cannot even demonstrate who these people were…good luck.