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RE: Ismael or Isaac
April 30, 2013 at 9:30 pm
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(April 30, 2013 at 3:07 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Another interesting reference from the Bible is
I think you need to inspect your mental abilities before answering!
If Judaism, Christianity & Islam are from the same (false) source
How the Bible can predict Mohamed?
How Mohamed can show that there is some false statements in the bible against the Christian beliefs?
I am always amused the prophecies aka predictions never include names or anything else which would make them them unambiguous. One would think in all the claimed prophecies at least one of them would contain an unambiguous identification of the person or event. Such as the next prophet will be born exactly X years from now in exactly this place under exactly these circumstances. His name will be and his parents names will be and just in case you are still skeptical his exact geneology going back a hundred generations is this.
If in fact there is a claim of divine inspiration, prophecy or prediction one has to ask after the complete and total absence of specificity.
(April 30, 2013 at 8:27 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: This is one thing I just can NOT get past.... Muslims seem so desperate to emulate the Jews it is painful to watch!! The fact that there is nothing in the koran that doesn't appear in the torah is another dead give away
So to summarise the abrahamic religions (judaism, christianity, and islam) are nothing but plagiaristic whores...we are just quibbling about how much your average punter is going to be punished. 
Islam is exactly an emulation of the Jews. In fact of the Jewish kings on the east coast of the Red Sea as described in the Koran. It did adopt much of a competing religion. And this emulation was of Judaism at the time when it was proper for Jews to revel in the spread of the Judean Yahweh cult by force rather than the modern studied ignorance that it actually happened that way.
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RE: How the Torah predicted the coming of Mohamed
May 1, 2013 at 3:33 am
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(April 30, 2013 at 5:06 am)Aractus Wrote: If you're going to come on here and attack my religion, you can at least get your facts straight. I'll create a thread for that, showing that the Bible cannot be trusted at all.
Quote:No. The Bible itself makes the claim that this verse is fulfilled in Jesus. See Acts 3:22–26, Acts 7:37, John 5:45–47, Hebrews 3:2–6. There is no "guessing" or "interpreting" about it.
This is my point!
Its a contradiction, the people who altered the bible could not change everything to make the prophecy matches Jesus
That is whey you will see contradictions that cannot be all true.
Quote: Moses was repeatedly not accepted by the people, especially by the people of Egypt.
In general and finally he was accepted
Quote:Jesus brought a new commandment (John 13:34). And Just like Moses, and Abraham before him, Jesus brought a new Covenant between God and the people.
In Matthew 5:17-18 we read: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
Quote:Jesus did die normally (crucifixion)
(April 30, 2013 at 9:30 pm)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: I am always amused the prophecies aka predictions never include names or anything else which would make them them unambiguous. One would think in all the claimed prophecies at least one of them would contain an unambiguous identification of the person or event. Such as the next prophet will be born exactly X years from now in exactly this place under exactly these circumstances. His name will be and his parents names will be and just in case you are still skeptical his exact geneology going back a hundred generations is this. This will contradicts with its purpose and may cause changes!
A prediction will only be known when it happens, not before it
Imagine if God said in the bible my prophet will be born in the year 500 in Mecca, the prophecy itself will change events, and there will be no point of choosing bad or worng
God created people to be able to choose, that is why they will be rewarded (or punished)
If God created us like Angles then there is no point of rewarding on good deeds.
Quote: Muslims seem so desperate to emulate the Jews it is painful to watch!!
Islam and Judaism are true religions from God, they are almost identical
We even call Jews who existed before Mohamed as Muslims.
The Jews didn't follow their religion, while the Christians altered the religion entirely
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RE: How the Torah predicted the coming of Mohamed
May 1, 2013 at 5:08 am
(May 1, 2013 at 3:33 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: I'll create a thread for that, showing that the Bible cannot be trusted at all. What and bring no evidence of textual corruption?
Quote:This is my point!
Its a contradiction, the people who altered the bible could not change everything to make the prophecy matches Jesus
That is whey you will see contradictions that cannot be all true.
Did the "people" who "altered the Bible" (according to you) let the Masorites know about it?
Or do you mean people like Origen?
Quote:In general and finally he was accepted
So why go into Exile then?
Quote:In Matthew 5:17-18 we read: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
... and? Jot (Yodh) and Tittle are part of Hebrew text, used in context to mean "rewritten" ie "Till heaven and earth pass the Law shall not be rewritten" and "The Law" is another name for "The Torah". What part of John 13:34 rewrites the Torah?
Quote:Quote:Jesus did die normally (crucifixion)
Go and practise falling down.
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RE: How the Torah predicted the coming of Mohamed
May 2, 2013 at 7:49 pm
(May 1, 2013 at 3:33 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: (April 30, 2013 at 9:30 pm)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: I am always amused the prophecies aka predictions never include names or anything else which would make them them unambiguous. One would think in all the claimed prophecies at least one of them would contain an unambiguous identification of the person or event. Such as the next prophet will be born exactly X years from now in exactly this place under exactly these circumstances. His name will be and his parents names will be and just in case you are still skeptical his exact geneology going back a hundred generations is this.
This will contradicts with its purpose and may cause changes!
A prediction will only be known when it happens, not before it
Who the fuck made up that cockamamie rule? I want an answer!
Where in the hell did you get the arrogance to assume there is a purpose much less you know what it is and why? I want an answer!
Who the hell are you to lecture anyone without a claim to divine revelation? I want an answer!
Quote:Imagine if God said in the bible my prophet will be born in the year 500 in Mecca, the prophecy itself will change events, and there will be no point of choosing bad or worng
Yes I am a fan of science fiction and I am familiar with the four or so ways of dealing with time paradoxes. What in the hell makes you think that method of dealing with the paradox is any better than any other?
I know the answer. You assume the conclusion you desire.
Quote:God created people to be able to choose, that is why they will be rewarded (or punished)
Where do you personally get the cajones to speak personally for the intentions of your god? Does that not make you also a prophet? I demand an answer!
Quote:If God created us like Angles then there is no point of rewarding on good deeds.
I demand to know where you got the authority to make that statement!
Why is it all you post is pull it out of your ass BS without the slightest justification or background for your claims?
Is this really the best you can do?
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RE: How the Torah predicted the coming of Mohamed
May 5, 2013 at 4:18 am
(May 2, 2013 at 7:49 pm)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: Where do you personally get the cajones to speak personally for the intentions of your god? Does that not make you also a prophet? I demand an answer!
Quote:If God created us like Angles then there is no point of rewarding on good deeds.
I demand to know where you got the authority to make that statement! this is the Islamic view
Quote:Why is it all you post is pull it out of your ass BS without the slightest justification or background for your claims?
You got my proof, try to refute it!!!!!!!!!
The proof of these answers goes like this
1-Prove God existence (done)
2-Prove that Islam is the true religion (still to come)
3-Bring answers from Islamic texts (Obvious if 2 is valid)
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RE: How the Torah predicted the coming of Mohamed
May 5, 2013 at 5:27 am
(May 1, 2013 at 5:08 am)Aractus Wrote: (May 1, 2013 at 3:33 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: I'll create a thread for that, showing that the Bible cannot be trusted at all. What and bring no evidence of textual corruption? Why the bible cannot be trusted
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RE: How the Torah predicted the coming of Mohamed
May 5, 2013 at 5:34 am
(May 5, 2013 at 4:18 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: (May 2, 2013 at 7:49 pm)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: Where do you personally get the cajones to speak personally for the intentions of your god? Does that not make you also a prophet? I demand an answer!
I demand to know where you got the authority to make that statement! this is the Islamic view
Quote:Why is it all you post is pull it out of your ass BS without the slightest justification or background for your claims?
You got my proof, try to refute it!!!!!!!!!
The proof of these answers goes like this
1-Prove God existence (done)
2-Prove that Islam is the true religion (still to come)
3-Bring answers from Islamic texts (Obvious if 2 is valid)
1. You have yet to prove god existence. Logic does not stump hardcore SCIENCE, specially faulty one.
2. ISLAM came after Christians/Catholics. Quran is younger than the Bible, and the Bible is younger than the Torah. So, at the end it is all a rip off of each other.
3. Islam text is base on the Bible. So, that book is fucking wrong too.
4. Islamic View sucks, because it brainwashing you to a dumbfounded level.
5. Please leave science and logic to the professionals.
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RE: How the Torah predicted the coming of Mohamed
May 5, 2013 at 8:53 am
So... In your latest thread you clearly assert that the bible cannot be trusted. Doesn't that negate any support of Islam derived from the Torah or the Old Testament? It seems to me you enjoy shooting your own cause in the foot...
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RE: How the Torah predicted the coming of Mohamed
May 5, 2013 at 12:30 pm
(May 5, 2013 at 4:18 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: (May 2, 2013 at 7:49 pm)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: Where do you personally get the cajones to speak personally for the intentions of your god? Does that not make you also a prophet? I demand an answer!
I demand to know where you got the authority to make that statement! this is the Islamic view
Views not in the Koran do not rise above popular opinion.
Quote:Quote:Why is it all you post is pull it out of your ass BS without the slightest justification or background for your claims?
You got my proof, try to refute it!!!!!!!!!
The proof of these answers goes like this
1-Prove God existence (done)
2-Prove that Islam is the true religion (still to come)
3-Bring answers from Islamic texts (Obvious if 2 is valid)
That is not proof. Proof is only found in math and logic. Legal proof is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. Where is your evidence that is beyond a reasonable doubt? Even relaxing the standard to preponderance of the evidence as in civil cases believers do not even come close.
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RE: How the Torah predicted the coming of Mohamed
May 6, 2013 at 2:20 am
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(May 5, 2013 at 12:30 pm)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: (May 5, 2013 at 4:18 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: this is the Islamic view
Views not in the Koran do not rise above popular opinion.
Quote:You got my proof, try to refute it!!!!!!!!!
The proof of these answers goes like this
1-Prove God existence (done)
2-Prove that Islam is the true religion (still to come)
3-Bring answers from Islamic texts (Obvious if 2 is valid)
That is not proof. Proof is only found in math and logic. Legal proof is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. Where is your evidence that is beyond a reasonable doubt? Even relaxing the standard to preponderance of the evidence as in civil cases believers do not even come close. It is a logical proof
and till now nobody was able to refute it.
(May 5, 2013 at 8:53 am)festive1 Wrote: So... In your latest thread you clearly assert that the bible cannot be trusted. Doesn't that negate any support of Islam derived from the Torah or the Old Testament? It seems to me you enjoy shooting your own cause in the foot... The Quran is not derived
It is revealed from God to Mohamed
But as he is the same God of the jews and Christians, it is very similar to the original Judaism or Christianity
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