If Jesus came back to life....what was his sacrifice?

[A_Nony_Mouse]

How is an interest in your statement self-absorbed?

Pay attention to what I wrote, when I wrote it, and how often I posted in this thread.

So, now you may not be totally self-absorbed, but it's starting to appear that you're a bit obsessed with me if you think you were addressing my "statement".

And you're fat...
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If I am not addressing your statements then you need to learn to use the quoting functions properly.

[catfish]

Pay attention to what I wrote, when I wrote it, and how often I posted in this thread.

So, now you may not be totally self-absorbed, but it's starting to appear that you're a bit obsessed with me if you think you were addressing my "statement".

And you're fat...
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If I am not addressing your statements then you need to learn to use the quoting functions properly.

Nope, because I was addressing yours. Crackpot?
Meet Crack Kettle. And Crack Pipe...

[AnswerThis]

In a nut shell / Through Adam all men are with sin, and under the law, the wage's of sin is death. Therefore if all men are bound to death by the sins of one man, so can all men be loosed from those same binds, by the death of one man without sin. Jesus was without sin was sacrificed and died. God did not trick sin out of its wages, by the resurrection of His Son , had Jesus sinned even once He would not have bean able to take back His life, but as He was without sin it is death which was un-able to hold on to Him.

Nicely worded!!""

[Minimalist]

Bullshit usually sounds pretty.....but it remains bullshit.

[Gabriel Syme]

Many Christians will say that Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice....the thing is.... if he came back to life....what was he sacrificing?

His torture, suffering and death were his sacrifice.

His resurrection does not in any way negate the fact he suffered death - sacrificed his life - for us.

If you lose your car key, but then find it again 2 weeks later - great, you got your key back, but it doesn't mean you never lost it

he came back to life and supposedly used super human strength to push the boulder blocking his path. Therefore,

Re bold - no such claim is made, the gospels only state that people found the stone rolled away from the tomb (doesn't state how it got there).

[pocaracas]

Many Christians will say that Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice....the thing is.... if he came back to life....what was he sacrificing?

His torture, suffering and death were his sacrifice.

His resurrection does not in any way negate the fact he suffered death - sacrificed his life - for us.

If you lose your car key, but then find it again 2 weeks later - great, you got your key back, but it doesn't mean you never lost it

A better analogy: If your car key gets destroyed and then appears in your pocket - great, but how the heck did that happen?!?!
Did it get destroyed? Did you imagine it getting destroyed? Did someone else make a copy? Did someone else fool you into thinking the key was destroyed?....

[Tonus]

His torture, suffering and death were his sacrifice.

The curious thing is... he sacrificed a human life. That was the sacrifice. He gave his (human) body and blood. And if that's all it was, then he could simply have been taken in his sleep. Or slipped on a wet stone and cracked his skull open. Or just suffered a god-inspired massive heart attack. The torture and suffering were just so that Mel Gibson could turn it into a gore-fest a couple of thousand years later.

If the torture and suffering somehow played into it, then he interrupted his infinitely long life as the almighty god for a few hours, then resumed his infinitely long life as the almighty god afterwards. Meanwhile, the penalty for not accepting this minor interruption in an eternity of godhood is to spend the rest of FOREVER being tortured. Makes sense.

[Minimalist]

He gave his (human) body and blood.

No, but see....he wasn't really dead. It was like that Star Trek episode where Spock used the Vulcan Death Grip on Kirk to fool the Romulans.... he got better after the commercial.

[Tonus]

No, but see....he wasn't really dead. It was like that Star Trek episode where Spock used the Vulcan Death Grip on Kirk to fool the Romulans.... he got better after the commercial.

You could say that he sacrificed an ugly suit. It's as if you went out and bought a suit and wore it, and everyone made fun of you because it was such an ugly suit. So you had a really miserable time (partly because you wore an ugly suit, partly because your friends are assholes!) and when you got home you dumped the suit in the trash and were done with it.

For he so loved the world, that he wore a cheap suit. I like the ring of that.

[Gabriel Syme]

The curious thing is... he sacrificed a human life. That was the sacrifice. He gave his (human) body and blood.

In the Christian view (at least mainstream Christians, Catholics), Christ was fully human and fully divine.

And if that's all it was, then he could simply have been taken in his sleep. Or slipped on a wet stone and cracked his skull open. Or just suffered a god-inspired massive heart attack. The torture and suffering were just so that Mel Gibson could turn it into a gore-fest a couple of thousand years later.

With respect, you have no understanding of this: he didnt just 'die', he was put to death (executed).

That was the price which has to be paid for him imparting his message to us. Of course, God always knew this would happen. Human beings hate the truth. They prefer to make up truths to suit themselves.

It still happens now - the rejection of truth. The Church Christ founded makes pronouncements on (eg) homosexuality, because secular society says its harmless. Yet, 20% of USA gay men have HIV-AIDs (50% in Frisco).

Does society say "Hey, look at these figures, you might be right"? No, they put they fingers in their ears and scream "bigot".

If Christ died only in his sleep, that would just represent a normal lifetime. His death would simply represent his expiration, not his deliberate murder on account of who and what he is.

Imagine if you had a message which, if passed on, would result in the greater good for all humanity - but - if you passed it on, you would be murdered.

Would you pass the message on? I dont think you would.

Meanwhile, the penalty for not accepting this minor interruption in an eternity of godhood is to spend the rest of FOREVER being tortured. Makes sense.

Mainstream Christians simply understand hell as "the absence of God", not as a pit of fire.

Your understanding here is tainted by bible believing protestants, who are not representative of global christianity in the slightest.


For a proper anaylsis of Christianity, you must confront mainstream Christianity = Catholic Christianity.

Anyone could rubbish it, based on what protestants say. Such a faulty analysis is really running away from the question, same as how protestants are really running away from it as well.

Cheers
GS