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May 16, 2013 at 7:09 pm (This post was last modified: May 16, 2013 at 7:10 pm by Violet.)
(May 16, 2013 at 6:16 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote: You seem to be implying that you DO care about ruining other peoples lives. Isn't that a bit of a non sequitur for you?
Caring about people doesn't have to be logical, I mean... since when did I base my life around logic?
Capable though I may be, I see no signs of me being this... "Dragonborn".
(May 16, 2013 at 6:36 pm)festive1 Wrote: Except cheating isn't always about the cheating. It's a symptom something else is wrong in the relationship. Someone's needs, emotional, sexual, intimacy-wise, whatever, are not being met, so they seek fulfillment elsewhere. That's what oftentimes needs fixing, not glossing over and forgiving and forgetting. I'm dubious of any marital advice that doesn't look at why the cheater cheated in the first place.
Men to often look at situations from a man's point of view, and women tend to look at things from a woman's point of view, could it be it's hard for the other to see from the other's point of view. IMO the woman should have spoken up and then both points of view would have been represented and then things could have been reasoned from there. The lady did have a chance to stand up for this woman's situation. My question here is why did she not respond.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
May 16, 2013 at 8:11 pm (This post was last modified: May 16, 2013 at 8:16 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(May 16, 2013 at 6:27 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: You're making a mountain out of a molehill.
Like when some deranged maglomaniacal malecontent supposedly gets nailed to some plank, or the "martyrs" whose "persecution" alledgedly did so much to "validate" "faith" in the said malecontent?
(May 16, 2013 at 8:06 pm)Godschild Wrote: My question here is why did she not respond.
Well, you don't take issue with Pat Robertson in public without some concern about your own reputation within the fundamentalist community.
That shouldn't be acceptable to Christians, and there did not have to be issues if Pat Robertson is the Christian he claims to be.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
May 17, 2013 at 12:31 am (This post was last modified: May 17, 2013 at 1:04 am by Mystical.)
(May 16, 2013 at 11:38 pm)Godschild Wrote: The lady did have a chance to stand up for this woman's situation. My question here is why did she not respond.
(May 16, 2013 at 11:22 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Well, you don't take issue with Pat Robertson in public without some concern about your own reputation within the fundamentalist community.
That shouldn't be acceptable to Christians, and there did not have to be issues if Pat Robertson is the Christian he claims to be.
I'm just curious, Godschild.. What Christian is that that he claims to be? A non-Christian then?
Cuz..
Eccles. 26:14-15
"A silent and loving woman is a gift of the Lord: and there is nothing so much worth as a mind well instructed. A shamefaced and faithful woman is a double grace, and her continent mind cannot be valued."
Eccles. 26:9-10
"The whoredom of a woman may be known in her haughty looks and eyelids. If thy daughter be shameless, keep her in straitly, lest she abuse herself through overmuch liberty."
Corinthians 14:34-35
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
I Timothy 2:11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. 12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
1 Peter 3:1
Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct.
1 Tim. 2:12-14
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man.
Ephesians 5:24
Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.
I Timothy 2:11-14
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."
I Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."
Gen 3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Ephesians 5:22-24
"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything."
Col 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
Eccles.26:25
"A shameless woman shall be counted as a dog; but she that is shamefaced will fear the Lord."
Eccles. 42:13-14
"For from garments cometh a moth, and from women wickedness.Better is the churlishness of a man than a courteous woman, a woman, I say, which bringeth shame and reproach."
1 Cor. 11:7
"A man is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man."
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
May 17, 2013 at 6:58 am (This post was last modified: May 17, 2013 at 6:59 am by Cyberman.)
(May 16, 2013 at 8:06 pm)Godschild Wrote: Men to often look at situations from a man's point of view, and women tend to look at things from a woman's point of view, could it be it's hard for the other to see from the other's point of view.
Hard for some, maybe, not for me. I'm forever cursed with seeing the other person's POV. I know other people like that as well, so I know I'm not as unique as I like to imagine myself to be.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(May 16, 2013 at 8:06 pm)Godschild Wrote: Men to often look at situations from a man's point of view, and women tend to look at things from a woman's point of view, could it be it's hard for the other to see from the other's point of view. IMO the woman should have spoken up and then both points of view would have been represented and then things could have been reasoned from there. The lady did have a chance to stand up for this woman's situation. My question here is why did she not respond.
To me, it is not so much about the female perspective as it is about giving the cheater a pass. Though the gender roles probably do play a part in Mr. Robinson's advice. If the situation was turned, and it was the husband writing in about his unfaithful wife, what would Mr. Robinson's advice be? I don't think he'd be telling the guy that women are weak and can't help themselves, or insinuating that the husband should try harder in some way.