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RE: Homosexuality is a sin? Well, Xtians, what about these other 76 things?
May 22, 2013 at 3:41 pm
(May 22, 2013 at 2:05 pm)John V Wrote: Quote:I have to admit that this passage makes no sense to me.
Basically that you can't even live up to your own conscience. So, your conscience accuses you, and from the Matthew verse (and others like it) you accuse yourself when you accuse others yet you do the same things. There's no need for the law to convict you.
Well, then that makes me wonder why God didn't just give us more persuasive consciences. We would not need such blood-soaked laws to scare us into living within the boundaries he wishes and it would still allow for free will.
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RE: Homosexuality is a sin? Well, Xtians, what about these other 76 things?
May 22, 2013 at 5:05 pm
So, if I am understanding things correctly, the law of the OT no longer applies as a means to get to heaven but it does apply for defining what sin is.
Here is my question: If homosexuality is just one among many sins, why all the hubub? Why do so many people focus on that one thing? Where is the outcry over the wearing of mixed fabrics and trimmed beards? What makes homosexuality so much worse than all those other things?
Also, if you say that OT no longer applies, then why the outrage?
This is a clear case of cake/eating.
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RE: Homosexuality is a sin? Well, Xtians, what about these other 76 things?
May 22, 2013 at 5:11 pm
(May 22, 2013 at 5:05 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote: This is a clear case of cake/eating.
I see it more as a case of vicariously expressing your own views through your deity.
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RE: Homosexuality is a sin? Well, Xtians, what about these other 76 things?
May 22, 2013 at 6:08 pm
(May 20, 2013 at 5:45 pm)Minimalist Wrote: You know.... a lot of the stuff on that list is really stupid. God must be a real dickhead.
Yeah, can you imagine how much of a hoot heaven is going to be?
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RE: Homosexuality is a sin? Well, Xtians, what about these other 76 things?
May 23, 2013 at 12:40 am
(May 22, 2013 at 5:05 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote: So, if I am understanding things correctly, the law of the OT no longer applies as a means to get to heaven but it does apply for defining what sin is.
Yes, yes and more yes.
Baalb Wrote:Here is my question: If homosexuality is just one among many sins, why all the hubub? Why do so many people focus on that one thing? Where is the outcry over the wearing of mixed fabrics and trimmed beards? What makes homosexuality so much worse than all those other things?
Because to most people it is a repulsive thought and people tend to focus on things that repulse them.
As Drich said, I believe it was him, mixed fabric and trimmed beards were Jewish social law, which has nothing to do with our salvation.
Baalb Wrote:Also, if you say that OT no longer applies, then why the outrage?
This is a clear case of cake/eating.
It does not apply to the way we receive our salvation, it applies to the way we live our lives before Christ and mankind.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Homosexuality is a sin? Well, Xtians, what about these other 76 things?
May 23, 2013 at 2:07 am
smax wrote:
Quote:Yeah, can you imagine how much of a hoot heaven is going to be?
Heaven as I see it:
The halleluiah song in the background.
Gender no more, therefore, sex no more.
Sadness no more, therefore, excitement no more (since erasing hardship makes goodness count for nothing).
Eternity of kneeling before the lord of lords praising him.
(yawn)
Sunday school, anyone? For eternity?
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RE: Homosexuality is a sin? Well, Xtians, what about these other 76 things?
May 23, 2013 at 2:13 am
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See you in "Hell" Ivy. I'll make sure the Aircon is just right and we have a plentiful supply of exciting things to do and think about...after all...all the engineers/ scientists etc will be there! 
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May 23, 2013 at 2:38 am
Love it, kichi. See you there. Since hell will have all the brains, I bet we can even find a way of starting a mafia where we smuggle porn, alcohol, and education into heaven. 
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May 23, 2013 at 8:18 am
 Gotcha! Done and Done! Will start woriking on it now....just incase! 
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RE: Homosexuality is a sin? Well, Xtians, what about these other 76 things?
May 23, 2013 at 8:48 am
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(May 22, 2013 at 3:41 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Well, then that makes me wonder why God didn't just give us more persuasive consciences. We would not need such blood-soaked laws to scare us into living within the boundaries he wishes and it would still allow for free will. That's illogical. If conscience is less than absolutely persuasive, law is required. If conscience is absolutely persuasive, there is no free will.
(May 23, 2013 at 2:07 am)Ivy Wrote: Sadness no more, therefore, excitement no more (since erasing hardship makes goodness count for nothing). Interesting - that's an answer some theists give to the problem of evil/suffering, yet atheists tend to discount it.
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