Pedophilia; I can't accept it.

[Aractus]

[Violet]

The issue is that a child cannot be expected to understand the full consequences of his/her actions, including all the potential emotional baggage associated with having interecourse with older people at a young age. While it might be fun at the time, it can cause serious emotional trouble later on, a fact that the child can not be expected to understand, the older men however can be expected to understand this, and that is exactly why it must be illegal, and for very damn good reasons.

Why can't a child be expected to understand the full consequences of their actions, as separate from the inability of all people to know the entirety of that which would result by their actions?

How does a fun and rewarding experience translate to serious emotional trouble later on?

What are these very damn good reasons? I'd like to know.

[Gilgamesh]

The issue is that a child cannot be expected to understand the full consequences of his/her actions, including all the potential emotional baggage associated with having interecourse with older people at a young age. While it might be fun at the time, it can cause serious emotional trouble later on, a fact that the child can not be expected to understand, the older men however can be expected to understand this, and that is exactly why it must be illegal, and for very damn good reasons.

Why can't the child be expected to know things? (By the way, she probably wasn't a child when she was having sex - probably a teen) Why are there consequences to sex? Why is there emotional baggage tied to sex? Why can the older (and specifically men) be expected to understand things?

So far I don't see a reason why it should be illegal. Just a bunch of assertions that leave me with loose ends =/

[NoraBrimstone]

You'll understand once you're a proper grown-up, don't worry your little head about it for now.

[Violet]

You'll understand once you're a proper grown-up, don't worry your little head about it for now.

When will that be? What characteristics will I posses then that I do not posses now?

Will I have to lose my ability to reason to become a "proper grown-up"?

Maybe Peter Pan had the right idea

[littleendian]

You'll understand once you're a proper grown-up, don't worry your little head about it for now.

When will that be? What characteristics will I posses then that I do not posses now?

I vividly remember how I hated it when people used to play the age-card on me when I was younger, so believe me I don't do this frivolously, but I suspect you will understand when you get older. You change fundamentally as you get older, anybody does...

Will I have to lose my ability to reason to become a "proper grown-up"?

I'm a great supporter of reason, but there are things that are so complex that we have to trust our instincts, or at least leave open as "unpredictable", simply because there are so many variables involved. The human might be the most complex entity on the planet (universe?) and when two of these come together something even more complex comes into existence that can no longer be grasped, at least not by my puny little brain, and although you might really be as smart as you let on to be I suspect even you will fail to analyze this with reason.

[Violet]

I vividly remember how I hated it when people used to play the age-card on me when I was younger, so believe me I don't do this frivolously, but I suspect you will understand when you get older. You change fundamentally as you get older, anybody does...

The age-card is often irrelevant to me, doesn't stop it being ridiculous. I suspect that I already understand every single reason people are ageist or otherwise make ageist decisions (and it's not actually due to age, but to their expectations of it)... but wouldn't it be great if JUST ONCE someone arguing on the other side even remotely understood WHY they believe as they do. Attempting to teach those unwilling to learn gets old... it's almost as if you can't teach old retards new things

Example: What ARE these fundamental changes?

I'm a great supporter of reason, but there are things that are so complex that we have to trust our instincts, or at least leave open as "unpredictable", simply because there are so many variables involved.

It's complex, so we have to trust our instincts?

* Violet giggles.

There are few variables regarding the issue at hand. Maybe if you thought about it just a little bit... well, that's me being optimistic

The human might be the most complex entity on the planet (universe?) and when two of these come together something even more complex comes into existence that can no longer be grasped, at least not by my puny little brain, and although you might really be as smart as you let on to be I suspect even you will fail to analyze this with reason.

Planet. Sort of.

You are indeed making a good case for your brain's puniness, but then: that's in character, and I'm unsurprised.

I wouldn't be asking people if I didn't think that I could learn something, or if I wasn't attempting to teach them something. You're not half as worthless as you think you are, but I can't force you to show yourself.

[Arellius]

Joseph could have been any age, but he isn't described as being between 40 and 90 in the Bible.

Kind of a contradiction here, so any age means; only between 1 and 30 ?

Joseph was probably older, and probably between the ages of 16-17

You say 'he was probably'. So where did you get the information from ? The Bible ? What passage/page..

In our society

The Bible, was manifested in their society, no ? You follow the Bible and believe in it I presume, so why couldn't they do what we do today ? Oh that's right ! It's because we, in today's society, have come a tad more to our senses.

What exactly is a girl going to do between the ages of 13 and 19 in a society with 1. no education that's available to girls, and 2. a male-centered workforce?

Does this make under age sex oke ? Does it make it alright for a man in his 30's or 40's to marry a girl under the age of 15 ?

Again, no it wasn't common for 13 year olds to wed men in their 30's/40's. It was common for them to wed men 2-3 years older than them.

See the movie ''Desert Flower'' made in 2009 - Where the young [not even a teenager] Waris Dirie ran away from the Nomad deserts because she was a bout to be married to a much older man, creepy lookin' motherfucker. This happened in the 20th century, it is common in religion.

I mostly am referring to all religions where under age sex occurs. You listen to your superiors preach teachings to be a saint but leave out such important, sometimes horrifying, details. When you are raised to listen and believe that what is being told to you is good, of course you will even take the garbage being said into consideration. So if you heard that Joseph was that young from your local priest (or superior of your religion) you are inclined to believe it. And if you question it ? You will be taught to believe that the person who is giving you the info got it from God. They most likely speak to each other daily through text.

I will send your phrase given to me at the start of your post in the opposite direction

Mate you are fucked up!

[The Grand Nudger]

Oh ffs, people.....

If you and your fellow citizens can establish that pedophilia is counterproductive to the goal you are aspiring to, it's pretty easy to make it illegal - without it ever having to be "wrong".



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If someone disagrees...well good for them, so long as they aren't trying to avail themselves of the benefits conferred by you and your fellow citizens. Move out to the desert and fuck kids all day long - it's been done before-.

Illegal is enough for me, it doesn't have to be "wrong".

[Sal]

The issue is that a child cannot be expected to understand the full consequences of his/her actions, including all the potential emotional baggage associated with having interecourse with older people at a young age. While it might be fun at the time, it can cause serious emotional trouble later on, a fact that the child can not be expected to understand, the older men however can be expected to understand this, and that is exactly why it must be illegal, and for very damn good reasons.

Why can't a child be expected to understand the full consequences of their actions, as separate from the inability of all people to know the entirety of that which would result by their actions?

How does a fun and rewarding experience translate to serious emotional trouble later on?

What are these very damn good reasons? I'd like to know.

The issue is that a child cannot be expected to understand the full consequences of his/her actions, including all the potential emotional baggage associated with having interecourse with older people at a young age. While it might be fun at the time, it can cause serious emotional trouble later on, a fact that the child can not be expected to understand, the older men however can be expected to understand this, and that is exactly why it must be illegal, and for very damn good reasons.

Why can't the child be expected to know things? (By the way, she probably wasn't a child when she was having sex - probably a teen) Why are there consequences to sex? Why is there emotional baggage tied to sex? Why can the older (and specifically men) be expected to understand things?

So far I don't see a reason why it should be illegal. Just a bunch of assertions that leave me with loose ends =/

I suppose you could teach a child what sex entailed before they reached puberty, and I mean more than just the motions of sex and sex ed.

I contend, though, that since they do not have a sexual nature, this would be nothing more than a curiosity that adults partake in, like drinking fine wine and beer and knocking each others brains out, preferably in a large bed.