Pope Francis defends atheists

[Drich]

Tatooine would be better described as an angel with to flaming swords. Or two angels with one sword each..

(It's a binary solar system)

[Cato]

I was actually willing to take one for the team. I was inviting you to church, and even if you thought you were only comming to give me a new story to tell at breakfast afterward, I would have still suckered one of you into a church.

I'll go to church, if I can bring my Kindle. Is breakfast free?

[KichigaiNeko]

An Aussie "church" Parramatta NSW

[Cato]

An Aussie "church" Parramatta NSW

Is this church accepting applications for alter boys?

[KichigaiNeko]

An Aussie "church" Parramatta NSW

Is this church accepting applications for alter boys?

Yep. Alter boys, Alter girls by the looks.

[Cato]

Yep. Alter boys, Alter girls by the looks.

Fair play! Is this slice of heaven close to you and Zen? Love the stained glass.

I'm more impressed with the fact that the hanging mugs look as if they hold at least two pints.

[rexbeccarox]

Why do I keep getting ignored?

I don't think my questions are that tough.

I do not disagree with what Frankie said. "That the same blood washes the sins of the atheist away as it does for the believer." The only question then becomes, does the Atheist accept what Has been done for him?

What has been done for "the Atheist", Drich?

[KichigaiNeko]

Yep. Alter boys, Alter girls by the looks.

Fair play! Is this slice of heaven close to you and Zen? Love the stained glass.

I'm more impressed with the fact that the hanging mugs look as if they hold at least two pints.

Sadly no. Parramatta is in New South Wales http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parramatta

a satellite city of Sydney. We're in Perth, Western Australia.

Can't vouch for the capacity of the mugs but they do look like they could hold two "pints"

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Aussies ARE pretty egalitarian.

[Whateverist]

Why do I keep getting ignored?

I don't think my questions are that tough.

I do not disagree with what Frankie said. "That the same blood washes the sins of the atheist away as it does for the believer." The only question then becomes, does the Atheist accept what Has been done for him?

What has been done for "the Atheist", Drich?

No, I'm not Drich, but I'm happy to answer your question. If I mess up maybe he'll explain my error. What has been done for the atheist is nothing actual. But you know that imaginary wonderful place the Christians created, the one with the "No Heathens Allowed" sign? Well the pope has taken that sign down off of his imaginary special place and is now willing to entertain the notion that the god he serves/conceives will consider the merits of each individual when deciding who to let into the special imaginary place.

Drich seems to be saying whether we actually are to benefit or not depends on whether we accept what has been done for us. Now that the imaginary do-not-enter sign has been removed from the imaginary door to the imaginary place, will we accept this gift respectfully or just go on calling them a bunch of wankers. I'm kind of on the fence. I am appreciative since with gifts, it's really the thought that counts. I just haven't the heart to point out they're still wanking. Do you?

[Drich]

I was actually willing to take one for the team. I was inviting you to church, and even if you thought you were only comming to give me a new story to tell at breakfast afterward, I would have still suckered one of you into a church.

I'll go to church, if I can bring my Kindle. Is breakfast free?

I usually bring my ipad, ive actual answer a few of your post from my seat. there is a free coffie bar with donut holes and fruit, but the lines can be long.

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Why do I keep getting ignored?

I don't think my questions are that tough.

I do not disagree with what Frankie said. "That the same blood washes the sins of the atheist away as it does for the believer." The only question then becomes, does the Atheist accept what Has been done for him?

What has been done for "the Atheist", Drich?

I cut and pasted a passage from John 3 that outlines what has been done. I do not understand what you are trying to say, get at or ask. Why not just skip to the punch line? Whatever your trying to entrap me to say will not be said if it has not already be said by me so just move on to your point or question.

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Why do I keep getting ignored?

I don't think my questions are that tough.


What has been done for "the Atheist", Drich?

No, I'm not Drich, but I'm happy to answer your question. If I mess up maybe he'll explain my error. What has been done for the atheist is nothing actual. But you know that imaginary wonderful place the Christians created, the one with the "No Heathens Allowed" sign? Well the pope has taken that sign down off of his imaginary special place and is now willing to entertain the notion that the god he serves/conceives will consider the merits of each individual when deciding who to let into the special imaginary place.

Drich seems to be saying whether we actually are to benefit or not depends on whether we accept what has been done for us. Now that the imaginary do-not-enter sign has been removed from the imaginary door to the imaginary place, will we accept this gift respectfully or just go on calling them a bunch of wankers. I'm kind of on the fence. I am appreciative since with gifts, it's really the thought that counts. I just haven't the heart to point out they're still wanking. Do you?

The point I was trying to make in the beginning was that even if all your sins have been forgiven there is still a choice to be made. Do you want to spend eternity with God or not. Only those who love God with all of their being can say yes to this question. So even if you technically qualify for heaven would you really want to go? In Christ's time a slave and a son could live and share the same work under the same roof under nearly identical conditions. But at the end of the day the slave remained a slave and the son had claim to his fathers house. Meaning if you went to heaven and did not love God as a son, then you will view God and all that he has for you to do as a slave owner and yourself a slave... Just like lucifer and his followers did. Realistically at some point they knew their rebellion was hopeless, and yet chose literal hell over serving God for an eternity.

So again even if your sins as an atheist are forgiven, as the pope indicated, wouldn't your current theological stance keep you from entering heaven as a "son" of the living God? Are you willing to 'slave' along side the sons of God with no claim to your Father's inheritance?
(I am thinking of 4 verses that support this assertion if you want to see them) the first three describe the rewards of the faithful, banking our work here for future reward, and the verse where Jesus describes those of us who enter heaven literally smoldering from the fires of hell. Where they enter with nothing more than their souls intact. Who knows how it would play out when we actually get there, but as I understand it the faithful will be getting mansions. If I were a smolder-er it would be hard for me to see myself as a 'son' if all my brothers had mansions, and I lived in a heavenly homeless shelter.