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Question about two possible attributes of God
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RE: Question about two possible attributes of God
(June 4, 2013 at 5:58 pm)Rationalman Wrote: No please go ahead

1st point answered above.
2nd point = begging the question fallacy. Please see the debate between Ryft and Violet on these forums for a detailed explanation.
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#22
RE: Question about two possible attributes of God
How about you just do a quick summary then
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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#23
RE: Question about two possible attributes of God
I couldn't put it more succinctly than Ryft did. Go check it out.
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#24
RE: Question about two possible attributes of God
I searched his name but loads of threads come up so i have no idea. Can you give me a link
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: Question about two possible attributes of God
(June 4, 2013 at 3:35 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: No to the only thing it could be no to.

Okay, so god didn't create logic, then? He is thus bound by something he didn't create?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: Question about two possible attributes of God
(June 4, 2013 at 4:05 pm)Rationalman Wrote:
(June 4, 2013 at 2:52 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: If rape is always wrong, then god couldn't ask you to do it. God is confined by logic. This does not limit his omnipotence.

But according to the bible rape isn't always wrong, in fact its endorsed. And the bible is the word of god isn't it? Therefore god says rape is ok and so.... he is immoral.

Omnipotence means: all powerful. The fact that God can be confined in any way proves that he is not all powerful. This seems especially ironic considering he is confined by the very reality he created. You've got a choice here: either God is immoral or he is not all powerful. Choose one.

Neither are Him stupid, go study scripture before asking such stupid questions.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Question about two possible attributes of God
(June 4, 2013 at 10:20 am)Godschild Wrote:
(June 4, 2013 at 6:47 am)Rationalman Wrote: So if God told you to go rape a little girl, would you do it? I mean it must be morally right, yea? If God told you to do it.

Here we go again childish mish mash, God could not do this so there is no discussion or answer to such a question. If you decide to operate in the real world, then we will answer your sensible questions.


God raped "Mary" if we are to believe your silly-assed stories.

Neither in Luke 1 or Matty 1 is there any indication of "choice." Much like a rapist - "god" just sends his homeboys out to tell her what is going to happen.

I'm sure you are fine with the whole stupid idea. If you ask me, god should be doing life in the state pen.
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RE: Question about two possible attributes of God
(June 4, 2013 at 5:33 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You mistake the bible as gods dictates and not what it is, a record of Gods influence. Some laws we're cultural and need to be understood in context. In 2000 years plus people may look at some things we think perfectly acceptable and think them equally horrific. Would we be evil people or products of our surroundings?

Why, you might almost think that "God's" idea of right and wrong was invented by Hebrew priests to reflect the opinions of Hebrew priests or something.
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RE: Question about two possible attributes of God
if you ignore what you quoted Ryan, perhaps.

(June 4, 2013 at 9:31 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Okay, so god didn't create logic, then? He is thus bound by something he didn't create?

God is a logical God. It's part of his nature to necessarily be so. Just follow your thinking through and see the impossibility.
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RE: Question about two possible attributes of God
(June 5, 2013 at 12:59 am)fr0d0 Wrote: if you ignore what you quoted Ryan, perhaps.

(June 4, 2013 at 9:31 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Okay, so god didn't create logic, then? He is thus bound by something he didn't create?

God is a logical God. It's part of his nature to necessarily be so. Just follow your thinking through and see the impossibility.
At one point this logical guy says "I have given every green plant for food.", then later he revises the entire thing and says "but from one tree thou shalt not eat", and then gets all pissed when they get his instructions wrong.

And what's logical about asking someone to sacrifice an animal or even his own son?

I'm all ears!
"Men see clearly enough the barbarity of all ages — except their own!" — Ernest Crosby.
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