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Ok.....So you killed off Religion...
#41
RE: Ok.....So you killed off Religion...
From what I have observed of humanity in my short time on this earth, and from what I have learned from studying the history of humanity as well as the history of religion, it is always the religious people who do the most harm to society in the name of a deity. Religion is the opiate of the masses, its very nature allows humanity to act abhorrently toward others so long as the heinous behavior can be morally supported by doctrine. To the same unfortunate effect, religion makes the erroneous claim that people cannot be good without a magical sky daddy whispering platitudes into the ears of its followers and holding their hands to guide them along a moral path toward righteousness. It is basic sociology to understand and deem those religious people as psychotic, those who foresee themselves being downright malicious without a deity's presence.

Atheists understand and know that it is proper to be good for the sake of being good, not because a deity uses bribery to require goodness.
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#42
RE: Ok.....So you killed off Religion...
(June 9, 2013 at 10:07 pm)ronedee Wrote: ...hypothetically of course!
Will it be: Laws? hmmmm...who will instill these laws? Teachers? Police? Parents? Military? Government Agencies?

In England where I live the laws are already insisted upon by the police and government agencies, I know a lot of muslims do want sharia law put in place but luckily this hasn't happened yet.


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#43
RE: Ok.....So you killed off Religion...
(June 10, 2013 at 10:26 am)paulpablo Wrote:
(June 9, 2013 at 10:07 pm)ronedee Wrote: ...hypothetically of course!
Will it be: Laws? hmmmm...who will instill these laws? Teachers? Police? Parents? Military? Government Agencies?

In England where I live the laws are already insisted upon by the police and government agencies, I know a lot of muslims do want sharia law put in place but luckily this hasn't happened yet.

They are pushing very hard to get it, will you guys have the courage to push back, the Muslims are relentless in their desire for Sharia Law.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#44
RE: Ok.....So you killed off Religion...
(June 9, 2013 at 10:07 pm)ronedee Wrote: I'm just wondering what it will be like in "Your Perfect World" w/o God & religion?

Not much different than our present world, is my guess. The majority of the world identifies with some religion or at least professes to a belief in a god or gods, yet there exists so much pain and suffering and awful mistreatment of one another. In some cases this horrid behavior is a result of religious teachings or beliefs.

It seems to me that people will find a way to justify living the life they desire to lead. For most people, this means justifying a relatively virtuous life where they empathize with others and make small sacrifices to promote the well-being of their community and/or society. For others, it means justifying or rationalizing relatively poor behavior or masking it as some kind of virtue in order to fulfill their selfish desires. People do it today, whether they are religious or not. I expect that they'd do the same if there was no religion to hang their good or bad behavior on.
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#45
RE: Ok.....So you killed off Religion...
Rondee, let me turn this back on you for a moment.

Lets say that god is 100% disproved by science. You no longer have any reason at all to believe.

Do you then turn around and begin murdering and raping because you no longer have a "moral guide"? Do you go crazy and do "whatever you want" simply because you now know that god doesn't exist? If not, them what would be guiding your actions?

Is god the only thing that is keeping you from doing these things? If so, you are a more fundamentally fucked up person that any atheist could ever hope to be.

I await your answer.
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#46
RE: Ok.....So you killed off Religion...
What about the mass killings going on in this country, schools, malls, theaters and ect. I have not heard of one who claimed a religious reason for killing. Seems to me the more God is being pushed out the worse things are becoming. Drugs are destroyers of a society and drugs are worse in and of themselves and in usage today than ever before and I know of no religious reason for there use, I did not have any when I used.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Ok.....So you killed off Religion...
(June 10, 2013 at 11:55 am)Godschild Wrote: What about the mass killings going on in this country, schools, malls, theaters and ect. I have not heard of one who claimed a religious reason for killing. Seems to me the more God is being pushed out the worse things are becoming. Drugs are destroyers of a society and drugs are worse in and of themselves and in usage today than ever before and I know of no religious reason for there use, I did not have any when I used.

Strawman.

What about all the killings in Syria over religion. What about Shariah (sp?) law?

I would advise you not to bring up points like this. You will get it handed back to you a thousand times over.
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#48
RE: Ok.....So you killed off Religion...
(June 10, 2013 at 11:55 am)Godschild Wrote: What about the mass killings going on in this country, schools, malls, theaters and ect. I have not heard of one who claimed a religious reason for killing. Seems to me the more God is being pushed out the worse things are becoming. Drugs are destroyers of a society and drugs are worse in and of themselves and in usage today than ever before and I know of no religious reason for there use, I did not have any when I used.

Stop thinking in binaries, dude. There is, unfortunately, not a limited supply of atrocities from which secular and religious sources must both draw; crimes sans religious motive don't mean there are less crimes with religious motivations. Unhappily, both co-exist.

Hell, there's a thread in this very forum about a girl that was buried alive for offending a god in some innocuous way; I know you'll rush to point out that it's not your god involved, but that's missing the point, because as far as I can see there isn't any god at all. The harm caused by religion has nothing to do with god, just with religion itself, though one wonders why any extant god would allow itself to be represented the way some folks represent him.

Here's the facts: anyone causing harm in god's name is doing it for nothing.
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RE: Ok.....So you killed off Religion...
(June 10, 2013 at 11:55 am)Godschild Wrote: What about the mass killings going on in this country, schools, malls, theaters and ect. I have not heard of one who claimed a religious reason for killing. Seems to me the more God is being pushed out the worse things are becoming. Drugs are destroyers of a society and drugs are worse in and of themselves and in usage today than ever before and I know of no religious reason for there use, I did not have any when I used.

Atheist Syrian boy executed by rebels.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/...d=webmail2

This looks like a religious reason for killing to me.



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#50
RE: Ok.....So you killed off Religion...
(June 10, 2013 at 10:03 am)ronedee Wrote: Make your little jokes and spin it up in what ever direction that makes you feel good about yourselves....but in the end you cannot deny that all good has been instituted by God!

All good has been instituted by God because you said so. I'm convinced.
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