Worst atheistic argument?

[Eilonnwy]

I hope it surprises no one that I love that song.

I can't help it, I'm a child of the 80s.

[Edwardo Piet]

I used to hear that song, Heaven is a Place on Earth, when I was a kid, and never knew who it was by of course, I was too little.
When Orbital play Halcyon live they have this running thing going where they play the chorus from that in their song, and from time to time they loop it backwards too, and they also play the chorus to Bon Jovi 'You Give Love a Bad Name' - they started doing that once as a laugh years ago, and it caught on and people liked it, so whenever they play Halcyon live now, they always seem to add that in half way through the song hehe.

They did it last night when I saw them live. Their whole performance throughout the whole niught was the most amazing thing I've ever experienced.

EvF

[fr0d0]

Mathew 6:1-4

1"Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.
2"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 3But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Charity done right should be stealthy.

QFT

Crackin avatar Rhiz

[Rhizomorph13]

I have a love/hate relationship with the 80s and music from that time. On the one hand it reminds me of some awesome times when those songs were playing, in the other it is crappy music that is mostly synthesized and doesn't agree with my brain due to the exactness of the beat.

I read somewhere that musicians build inaccuracy into their beat structure by vurtue of being human, whereas a computer slices time up into such exact portions that it goes against what we like to listen to. If I remember correctly the inaccuracy can be expressed as a function of PHI. I am too ill right now to mine the interwebs for anything to support my idea but, it was a really interesting idea that explains why music played by people jives with people better than synthetic stuff.

Rhizo

[Edwardo Piet]

I like precision. No wait, I love precision.

...and the synthesizer is by far my favourite instrument. You can get so many sounds out of them.

(It's a subjective matter this ).

Rhiz, a gargantuan amount of music is chopped up into bits these days. For studio albums and singles it's easier - a lot of acoustic music even use that method nowadays I believe I read in one or two places (I forget where).

EvF

[Rhizomorph13]

True, and I've heard about the sophistication of beat structures by techno musicians and have had a friend count out the structures while we listened to an Astral Projection soundtrack and also some Chemical Brothers. I respect the complexity of techno music and really enjoy it. I wasn't saying that it was bad, but just that acoustic, live, music has a quality that agrees with people better. I think it is the precise nature of techno music that produces the trancendental experiences that enthusiasts talk about. Along a different vector, live music is more enjoyable than studio music because the errors bring a human element that is screened out in the studio.

I swing dance and can tell you that live music just makes me want to move more than recorded stuff, even if it is new recorded stuff that I have never heard.

80's music is best characterised by drum machines and dissagreeable synths so given my musical knowledge it is hard to appreciate the simplistic nature of it. The 70's are where its at! Listen to some George Clinton and tell me it doesn't move your soul.

Rhizo

[fr0d0]

Electronic reproduction is always that. Pure electronic instruments have a harder job to emulate natural sound but then the human ear is involved in it's creation.

Techno transcendental experience is more down to repetition IMO. Acoustic music can do the same.

You said the 's' word! <hides from Evie fallout>

[Rhizomorph13]

Fr0d0,

I was just poking fun by mentioning a soul. Yeah, the reason is that digital instruments produce a square wave instead of a normal sine wave so it can be disturbing to our ears.

Rhizo

[Edwardo Piet]

Rhizo, stop typoing, we all know you're talking about soles and not souls. I love electronic music best, but I like Live electronic music best of all, definitely - when performed by a band that can do that very well. IOW when performed by Orbital

EvF

[Rhizomorph13]

EvF,

Yeah, Orbital are great, I didn't realize they did that song from Hackers (Sorry that is how I know it) Halcyon.

Rhizo