GodsChild a Few Quick Questions?

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autonomy of local church — Affirms the autonomy of the local church.[10]
Church and state — Supports a free church in a free state. Neither one should control the affairs of the other.[50]
Cooperation — Identifies the Cooperative Program of missions as integral to the Southern Baptist Convention.[51]
Creeds and confessions — Statements of belief are revisable in light of Scripture. The Bible is the final word.[52]
Missions — Honors the indigenous principle in missions. The SBC does not, however, compromise doctrine or its identity for missional opportunities.[53]
Priesthood of all believers — Laypersons have the same right as ordained ministers to communicate with God, interpret Scripture, and minister in Christ's name.[54]
Sanctity of life — At the moment of conception, a new being enters the universe, a human being, a being created in God's image.[55]
Sexuality — Asserts God's plan for marriage and sexual intimacy—as one man and one woman, for life, through matrimony. Homosexuality, extra-marital sexual relations, and polyamorous relationships are not seen as valid "alternative lifestyles."[56]
Soul competency — Affirms the accountability of each person before God.[57]
Women in ministry — Women participate equally with men in the priesthood of all believers. Their role is crucial, their wisdom, grace and commitment exemplary. Women are an integral part of Southern Baptist boards, faculties, mission teams, writer pools, and professional staffs. The role of pastor, however, is specifically reserved for men.[58]

Or the SBC website: http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/basicbeliefs.asp

[Godscreated]

Go ahead, as long as there's no debate, you said you would not debate me unless I believed the Bible was a myth, that will never happen.

Actually I only meant for that statement to be relevant for that thread. You are not held to the myth thing anywhere else by me. Let's forget about all that stuff in this thread though. I'm not starting off with the intention of debating.

First question. According to Southern Baptist belief, how is salvation obtained?

I have no problem with this, I do not see I'm being called out, yet I would not want to upset things nor set a president for future debates. As long as the Mods have no problem with it we will do it here, if they do then we can do this through the P.M.
I will answer your first question, and if others have comments that's okay, but no questions from anyone but Rahul please.

I'm going to give the short answer here, if you desire more detail just ask but, if you do have more questions about any specific question let's please finish them one at a time. I do not want to mix questions it only causes confusion.
Salvation comes through the belief of who Christ is and what He did for man and the acceptance of this.

[Rahul]

Salvation comes through the belief of who Christ is and what He did for man and the acceptance of this.

Thanks, GC. I appreciate this.

I would like a little more elaboration, if you don't mind. I was taught growing up Southern Baptist that if I believed in God, and if I believed that Jesus was the Son of God, made flesh, that he died on the cross for my personal sins, and accepted him as my Lord and Savior, that I would be Saved.

Are you in agreement with this from your understanding being a Southern Baptist? I know that you mention in your profile that you differ in some respects.

[Godscreated]

Salvation comes through the belief of who Christ is and what He did for man and the acceptance of this.

Thanks, GC. I appreciate this.

I would like a little more elaboration, if you don't mind. I was taught growing up Southern Baptist that if I believed in God, and if I believed that Jesus was the Son of God, made flesh, that he died on the cross for my personal sins, and accepted him as my Lord and Savior, that I would be Saved.

Are you in agreement with this from your understanding being a Southern Baptist? I know that you mention in your profile that you differ in some respects.

Your welcome, looking forward to a quite conversation.
Yes I agree, I would add that Christ was of a virgin birth and raised from the grave. To my knowledge most protestant denominations believe this, some will add baptism. My beliefs differ with most Baptist in the areas of hell and the loss of salvation, I do not claim that I'm correct about either.

[Rahul]

My beliefs differ with most Baptist in the areas of hell and the loss of salvation, I do not claim that I'm correct about either.

Wait, you believe in apostasy?

[Godscreated]

My beliefs differ with most Baptist in the areas of hell and the loss of salvation, I do not claim that I'm correct about either.

Wait, you believe in apostasy?

Yes, I believe one can walk away from Christianity, simply by returning to the worldly ways one was to leave and leaving Christ out of their life. I do not believe that God will take away our salvation because we sin while living for Him. It is a choice, just like it was a choice to accept Christ as Lord and savior. To break it down to a basic belief I believe one can believe in Christ yet reject what He did. I do not believe that one can be a Christian and reject the existence of Christ, just reject Him as savior.

[Rahul]

Well that derails my whole point. I was always taught the impossibility of apostasy.

So I guess we are at a conclusion.

There's just one thing I'd like to mention though, GC. I didn't choose to walk away, I just couldn't believe anymore. I never expected that to happen. This was a big thing in my psyche when it happened.

I mean can you make yourself believe in the Tooth Fairy? You can't, right? That's where I'm stuck at. It was all a big accident. Completely unintentional.

It just doesn't make sense to me that the loving God I was taught about growing up would doom me to Hell because I just came to a conclusion, that for me, was impossible to avoid once I reached a certain point. I didn't have a choice at all.

But anyway. Thanks for humoring me. It's nice to discuss these things without everyone getting upset. I grow more and more tired of doing that.

[Godscreated]

Well that derails my whole point. I was always taught the impossibility of apostasy.

So I guess we are at a conclusion.

There's just one thing I'd like to mention though, GC. I didn't choose to walk away, I just couldn't believe anymore. I never expected that to happen. This was a big thing in my psyche when it happened.

I mean can you make yourself believe in the Tooth Fairy? You can't, right? That's where I'm stuck at. It was all a big accident. Completely unintentional.

It just doesn't make sense to me that the loving God I was taught about growing up would doom me to Hell because I just came to a conclusion, that for me, was impossible to avoid once I reached a certain point. I didn't have a choice at all.

But anyway. Thanks for humoring me. It's nice to discuss these things without everyone getting upset. I grow more and more tired of doing that.

I'm tired of it also, and would enjoy more of this type of discussion, sorry to have disappointed you, what point were you going to make. You see I can't support free will without going all the way, just because one chose to follow Christ does not mean one can not change their mind and choose not to.

[LeoVonFrost]

just because one chose to follow Christ does not mean one can not change their mind and choose not to.

whu? can you explain this? It is interesting because I was force-saved in an abusive situation when I was very young. Does that mean I'm still walking around as an atheist christian and I didn't even know it?

[Godscreated]

just because one chose to follow Christ does not mean one can not change their mind and choose not to.

whu? can you explain this? It is interesting because I was force-saved in an abusive situation when I was very young. Does that mean I'm still walking around as an atheist christian and I didn't even know it?

One can not be forced saved, the decision must be yours alone, I've seen that very thing happen before and it makes me very upset. I'm sorry that happened to you. What it means for you is that if you have never accepted Christ of your own free will... well you haven't chosen Him as your Lord and Savior. Exactly how do you feel?