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RE: The End Game of Atheism
June 26, 2013 at 10:46 am
(June 26, 2013 at 10:28 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: Evolution has an end goal, which I understand to be that humans, or whatever orgasm beats us there, become transcended "godlike" beings that shed these mortal bodies and live as immortals.
Perhaps that is the end goal of Atheism? If you stray onto the religious path your evolutionary journey will be abruptly halted by the taint of religion, and your great, great, great, great, etc, grandchildren will never know the eternal bliss of godhood.
Does that make sense?
Evolution, at least from my layman's understanding, says only two things:
1. Life is observed to change over time.
2. Traits better suited to a specific environment are more likely to get passed on. Consequently, the changes mentioned in part 1 are more likely to be suited to a given environment.
It is not a religion. It is not a political ideology. It is not a philosophy. It is not a system of morality. Like all science, it is simply a study of what is (not what ought to be).
Which part would you dispute?
Life does change over time. It's why we need new flu shots. It's why we have dogs as pets (we, as humans, bred them from wolves). It's why horse-breeding is a pastime in my state. It's why your children won't be carbon copies of you, though they may share a lot of your traits.
If you acknowledge that life changes over time, doesn't point 2 follow logically?
Above all, please remember that science isn't about what ought to be. It simply studies what is. If you want to talk about what we as humans ought to do, that's the domain of philosophy.
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RE: The End Game of Atheism
June 26, 2013 at 10:47 am
(June 26, 2013 at 10:35 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: Please enlighten me.
No, YOU enlighten me!
You stated that evolution and atheism were connected. You stated that there was a goal somewhere in atheism. And it is to you to clarify, explain and defend or retreat from these statements.
Or to fuck off!
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RE: The End Game of Atheism
June 26, 2013 at 10:50 am
(June 26, 2013 at 10:41 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: (June 26, 2013 at 10:39 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: You asked for a goal and he gave you one and it's outside the scope of this thread?
I see, he was saying that the end goal of Atheism is for the word "atheism" to disappear. An odd goal.
It's similar to
. a-fairiesism
. a-santa-caulsism
. a-leprechaunism
. a-unicornism
. a-pegasusism
. a-chupacabrism
Those words don't exist, right? Maybe it's because most, if not every, human accepts that those entities are fictitious.
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RE: The End Game of Atheism
June 26, 2013 at 10:50 am
(June 26, 2013 at 10:41 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: I see, he was saying that the end goal of Atheism is for the word "atheism" to disappear. An odd goal.
Its not an odd goal at all. You just don't seem to understand it. We don't wan't that word to exist in the future because we hope it won't be needed because there won't be any religion to differentiate people. No jews, muslims, christians or hindus ect... just people
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RE: The End Game of Atheism
June 26, 2013 at 10:51 am
(This post was last modified: June 26, 2013 at 10:56 am by ShadowWolf1986.)
(June 26, 2013 at 10:46 am)pocaracas Wrote: (June 26, 2013 at 10:13 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: What is it?
Asked a different way, what is the end goal of Atheism?
There's an end goal?!
Dammit, why don't I ever get these memos?!?
Ever heard the expression herding cats?
That's what it's like getting atheists to agree on something.... except on the non-belief in deities.
(June 26, 2013 at 10:28 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: Evolution has an end goal, which I understand to be that humans, or whatever orgasm beats us there, become transcended "godlike" beings that shed these mortal bodies and live as immortals. Evolution by natural selection is simply a mechanism which enables organisms to produce offspring which are viable in the environment where they live.
The ones that are not viable, don't reproduce and end the lineage.
(June 26, 2013 at 10:28 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: Perhaps that is the end goal of Atheism? If you stray onto the religious path your evolutionary journey will be abruptly halted by the taint of religion, and your great, great, great, great, etc, grandchildren will never know the eternal bliss of godhood.
Does that make sense? We tend to see it as the bliss of brainwashing... does that make sense?
Does it make sense to want the future of mankind to be as indoctrinated and brainwashed as it is nowadays? I mean, look at all the multiple religious sects, each indoctrinating their children and perpetuating this division... and resulting strife, war, waste... Does that make sense?
You are assuming that all religious people are brainwashed, or that religion itself is a brainwashing process. However, what are you teaching your children about religion, God, how the universe came to be? I would suspect you are "brainwashing" them with Atheism, evolution, and the Big Bang theory. The body county that Atheistic governments has accrued makes all religious body counts look like a mole hill. "Conform or die" is wrong whether it is a so called Christian or an Atheist holding the gun.
(June 26, 2013 at 10:47 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: (June 26, 2013 at 10:35 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: Please enlighten me.
No, YOU enlighten me!
You stated that evolution and atheism were connected. You stated that there was a goal somewhere in atheism. And it is to you to clarify, explain and defend or retreat from these statements.
Or to fuck off!
You must have missed my original post. I was asking what is the end goal of Atheism. I was only making a suggestion to get the ball rolling. You objected, and now I am suppose to answer my own question?
Please go find another thread you can follow.
(June 26, 2013 at 10:50 am)Rationalman Wrote: (June 26, 2013 at 10:41 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: I see, he was saying that the end goal of Atheism is for the word "atheism" to disappear. An odd goal.
Its not an odd goal at all. You just don't seem to understand it. We don't wan't that word to exist in the future because we hope it won't be needed because there won't be any religion to differentiate people. No jews, muslims, christians or hindus ect... just people
The only way to obtain that goal is by force because man has always wondered if there is a God or not.
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RE: The End Game of Atheism
June 26, 2013 at 10:59 am
(June 26, 2013 at 10:51 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: The body county that Atheistic governments has accrued makes all religious body counts look like a mole hill. "Conform or die" is wrong whether it is a so called Christian or an Atheist holding the gun.
You fancy backing up your assertions with some evidence?
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“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: The End Game of Atheism
June 26, 2013 at 11:01 am
"The body county that Atheistic governments has accrued makes all religious body counts look like a mole hill. "Conform or die" is wrong whether it is a so called Christian or an Atheist holding the gun."
Except that the majority of those you are counting weren't atheist whilst, at the same time, you are not counting the almost total annihilation of the indigenous peoples of the Americas by first the Conquistadors and then the white Christian settlers. Estimates vary on the numbers but 60 million seems a good guess.
In the meantime - my fellow atheists - do not divulge the plan. Believers mustn't learn until its too late. Our power is rising and the time is almost upon us....(cackles maniacally).
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RE: The End Game of Atheism
June 26, 2013 at 11:01 am
(June 26, 2013 at 10:51 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: You must have missed my original post. I was asking what is the end goal of Atheism. I was only making a suggestion to get the ball rolling. You objected, and now I am suppose to answer my own question?
You were making a suggestion so you could mentaly masturbate over the nonsence you posted. Now that is me making a suggestion.
I am not asking you to answere your own question, I clearly and understandably asked: What makes you think that there should be a goal?
And I might aswell add the question: What made you make up you absolutly brainless "suggestions"
Quote:Please go find another thread you can follow.
As expected you patheticaly attempt to escape the situation you brought on yourself by pretending to be a figure of authority.
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RE: The End Game of Atheism
June 26, 2013 at 11:01 am
Quote:The only way to obtain that goal is by force because man has always wondered if there is a God or not.
Did anyone here deconvert by force? i didn't. If i can reach this conclusion so can others.
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RE: The End Game of Atheism
June 26, 2013 at 11:03 am
(June 26, 2013 at 10:59 am)Rationalman Wrote: (June 26, 2013 at 10:51 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: The body county that Atheistic governments has accrued makes all religious body counts look like a mole hill. "Conform or die" is wrong whether it is a so called Christian or an Atheist holding the gun.
You fancy backing up your assertions with some evidence?
The history section of your local library. You might want to try Communist China, Soviet Russia, Cambodia under Pol Pot, etc.
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