God his own Enemy

[Esquilax]

Please use scripture to prove your statement, you have so far completely misrepresented scripture. I'm sure like everyone else you're going to give us excuses and if excuses are all you have then what's your point?

And your proof that your interpretation of scripture is correct is where, exactly?

Your proof that the scriptures conform to external reality? Got any of that?

[Faith No More]

That's kinda funny seeings how I just took your arguements down to their core values and showed you where you had to misrepersent scripture in order to prove your points.

Actually, you have merely asserted that he misrepresented scripture.

Big difference.

[Drich]

This is what i mean by creating your own version of Christianity and attacking it, rather than biblical Christianity. For how much arguement can you give when confronted with the resurection of Christ and His ascension into glory? Most of you take just enough of the bible to construct your strawmen and leave the rest. You are turning out to be a tired cliche'.

I wouldn't call it a false or "my own" version at all. The facts speak for themselves. God is a tyrant which evil satan aspired to be like. For his trouble he was cast to Earth where he is given a kingdom where he can play God.

Judging God in anyway other than how the bible repersents Him makes that judgement seperate from the bibles. Which makes it Your judgement.

Job never once ascribed his troubles to a devil but to God only.

Because Job understood that the devil is a servant of God, and not a god himself.

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That's kinda funny seeings how I just took your arguements down to their core values and showed you where you had to misrepersent scripture in order to prove your points.

Actually, you have merely asserted that he misrepresented scripture.

Big difference.

I point to several examples where dino misrepersented scripture, what are you talking about?

[Faith No More]

You simply asserted that his interpretation was correct. To have "showed" him that he was misrepresenting scripture would require evidence to support your claim, such as bible verses that demonstrate he misrepresented what was written. You just simply said "you're wrong."

[Dionysius]

Please use scripture to prove your statement, you have so far completely misrepresented scripture. I'm sure like everyone else you're going to give us excuses and if excuses are all you have then what's your point?

Job 19:21,
Have pity upon me, All of you my friends: for the HAND OF GOD HAS TOUCHED ME.


Clearly Job is speaking of God and not God's goto guy satan.

[Doubting Thomas]

I'm against burning bibles.


Stupid people need something to read, too.

The problem is that the people who claim to lead their lives based on that book never read it.

[Drich]

I'm against burning bibles.


Stupid people need something to read, too.

The problem is that the people who claim to lead their lives based on that book never read it.

Do you want to question someone who has?

[Faith No More]

No.

[Tonus]

Satan had been eyeing Job for a while, he admitted to it,

Well, yeah. In the story, he quickly takes the bait that god dangles before him. The writer seems to see god as a bronze-age Barry Bonds; exceedingly arrogant, but he can deliver on his boasts. I think a more compelling story would have given the devil a reason for being there, instead of the implication that we get today, that no one seemed at all perturbed by the fact that god's greatest enemy (who had royally messed things up and led both humans and angels astray) was given leave to wander about heaven as he wished. Adam and Eve? Dead. Humanity? Cursed. Satan? Gets to hang with god and tha' boyz.

This does support the idea that the devil was once considered a member of god's court and not the serpent of the Genesis tale. In the story of Job, we can see the devil not as a simpering, sniveling whiner, but as someone who scolds god for undermining Job's free will. God, realizing that his counselor is making a good point, agrees to let Job be put to the test. In other words, god acquiesces to Satan's demands. The god of the NT is said to be perfect and loving, and the devil is his bitter and savage enemy. You couldn't really write the Job story with those two characters, IMO. There'd be a fist-fight the moment satan entered the Holy Glory Hole Bar & Saloon.

And I think that an NT god would have answered an NT Satan very differently, as well. Their conversation should have gone thusly:

God: Have you noticed my servant Job? A god-fearing and good man?
Satan: Well of course he serves you! You protect him and provide for his needs. What would happen if you withdrew your protection and help?
God: He would remain faithful through even the worst that could be thrown at him.
Satan: Pfft! How would you know? Go on, test him!
God: I am god, I know everything. And I cannot lie. Besides, he's old enough to have amassed a fortune and ten kids. You don't think he had his faith tested plenty of times? Why do think I favor him so?
Satan: This is getting boring. Where's Jesus? I can always get a rise out of him.
God: *slaps the devil*

Or god could have pointed out that of course he protects Job... that's kind of how it all works! Serve god and follow his rules, and life goes well for you. Turn from god and suffer the consequences. Why would god agree to put Job to the test???

But that's exactly what he does. He allows the devil to yank the rug out from under Job's feet and murder dozens, perhaps hundreds of people. All to prove a point that was unnecessary to prove. That's just awful.

[LastPoet]

Do you want to question someone who has?

You see Drich, people that have read that nonsense this day and age, are even worse than those that are sheep and believe it face-value, for believing it. You can evade reality for so long untill you get hammered by its sheer weight. If you are minimally educated and read the bible, I can wager that its due to futile pride or age old stubbornness. Either way, believing bullshit won't change reality.