God his own Enemy

[Godscreated]

Please use scripture to prove your statement, you have so far completely misrepresented scripture. I'm sure like everyone else you're going to give us excuses and if excuses are all you have then what's your point?

And your proof that your interpretation of scripture is correct is where, exactly?

Your proof that the scriptures conform to external reality? Got any of that?

The accusation was taken from scripture and that is where an honest person will substantiate his claim from. What does my knowledge of scripture have to do with him substantiating his claim, none I say.

[Dionysius]

And your proof that your interpretation of scripture is correct is where, exactly?

Your proof that the scriptures conform to external reality? Got any of that?

The accusation was taken from scripture and that is where an honest person will substantiate his claim from. What does my knowledge of scripture have to do with him substantiating his claim, none I say.

Jesus rarely used scripture. Most of his conversations were ad-lib. No w you require me to use scripture to prove a point? Would you require the messiah to have a bible in hand? If so which version would seal his authenticity?

[Godscreated]

Satan had been eyeing Job for a while, he admitted to it,

Well, yeah. In the story, he quickly takes the bait that god dangles before him. The writer seems to see god as a bronze-age Barry Bonds; exceedingly arrogant, but he can deliver on his boasts. I think a more compelling story would have given the devil a reason for being there, instead of the implication that we get today, that no one seemed at all perturbed by the fact that god's greatest enemy (who had royally messed things up and led both humans and angels astray) was given leave to wander about heaven as he wished. Adam and Eve? Dead. Humanity? Cursed. Satan? Gets to hang with god and tha' boyz.

This does support the idea that the devil was once considered a member of god's court and not the serpent of the Genesis tale. In the story of Job, we can see the devil not as a simpering, sniveling whiner, but as someone who scolds god for undermining Job's free will. God, realizing that his counselor is making a good point, agrees to let Job be put to the test. In other words, god acquiesces to Satan's demands. The god of the NT is said to be perfect and loving, and the devil is his bitter and savage enemy. You couldn't really write the Job story with those two characters, IMO. There'd be a fist-fight the moment satan entered the Holy Glory Hole Bar & Saloon.

And I think that an NT god would have answered an NT Satan very differently, as well. Their conversation should have gone thusly:

God: Have you noticed my servant Job? A god-fearing and good man?
Satan: Well of course he serves you! You protect him and provide for his needs. What would happen if you withdrew your protection and help?
God: He would remain faithful through even the worst that could be thrown at him.
Satan: Pfft! How would you know? Go on, test him!
God: I am god, I know everything. And I cannot lie. Besides, he's old enough to have amassed a fortune and ten kids. You don't think he had his faith tested plenty of times? Why do think I favor him so?
Satan: This is getting boring. Where's Jesus? I can always get a rise out of him.
God: *slaps the devil*

Or god could have pointed out that of course he protects Job... that's kind of how it all works! Serve god and follow his rules, and life goes well for you. Turn from god and suffer the consequences. Why would god agree to put Job to the test???

But that's exactly what he does. He allows the devil to yank the rug out from under Job's feet and murder dozens, perhaps hundreds of people. All to prove a point that was unnecessary to prove. That's just awful.

You are talking out both sides of your mouth, at one point you say God is denying Job of his free will, and then you propose an idea that God should keep His protection upon Job. You have invalidated your own argument.
God did not bait Satan, God put Satan to the test, do you real think the Book of Job is only about Job, then you have not studied the book at all. Satan was the serpent in the garden, he is referred to as the serpent of old who deceived. Satan was thrown out of heaven before the fall of Adam and Eve.
God does not promise an easy life nor a prosperous life for those who serve Him, not in a way you could understand, the good life He promises for those who chose Christ is a spiritual one.
Now for what happened at the council, God asked Satan if he had seen Job and all that he had, Satan being jealous told God he would not have had all that if God had not protected him and prospered him. It was Satan who proposed that Job would not be faithful to God if God removed that protection, in other words Satan challenged God, not the other way around as you claim. God was reminding Satan what he had given up because of his betrayal of God, this is what God was saying to Satan when He asked Satan if he had noticed Job.

[Minimalist]

You are talking out both sides of your mouth,

An improvement over you talking out of your ass.

[Bad Writer]

The problem is that the people who claim to lead their lives based on that book never read it.

Do you want to question someone who has?

Yes. Ahem.

Howindafuckdoyalivewityerself?

And I say that with all sincerity because I have read it a number of times. One time was even through rose-colored glasses.

As for burning it, I'm against that. I think the contents of the book makes for fun conversation, which is why I still study it a bit.

[Dionysius]

Do you want to question someone who has?

Yes. Ahem.

Howindafuckdoyalivewityerself?

And I say that with all sincerity because I have read it a number of times. One time was even through rose-colored glasses.

As for burning it, I'm against that. I think the contents of the book makes for fun conversation, which is why I still study it a bit.

It is a work overflowing; a bubbling stream of colorful metaphors? There is a passage that says the word is written in out hearts - I take it to mean that DNA is that notorious word, beautiful and dazzling in its brilliance.

If we all study IT religiously I dare say we may come to know God quite well, as the man in the mirror.

[Godscreated]

The accusation was taken from scripture and that is where an honest person will substantiate his claim from. What does my knowledge of scripture have to do with him substantiating his claim, none I say.

Jesus rarely used scripture. Most of his conversations were ad-lib. No w you require me to use scripture to prove a point? Would you require the messiah to have a bible in hand? If so which version would seal his authenticity?

Jesus used scripture and much more than you have and He knew it's actual meaning unlike you. If you can call me stupid for not reading the biased info on evolution you present, then why can't I believe you're stupid for not using scripture.

[Bad Wolf]

Jesus used scripture and much more than you have and He knew it's actual meaning unlike you. If you can call me stupid for not reading the biased info on evolution you present, then why can't I believe you're stupid for not using scripture.

How can information on evolution be biased? Its not open to different interpretations, its just cold hard facts.

[Dionysius]

Jesus rarely used scripture. Most of his conversations were ad-lib. No w you require me to use scripture to prove a point? Would you require the messiah to have a bible in hand? If so which version would seal his authenticity?

Jesus used scripture and much more than you have and He knew it's actual meaning unlike you. If you can call me stupid for not reading the biased info on evolution you present, then why can't I believe you're stupid for not using scripture.

I doubt you'd even recognize Jesus if he knocked on your door one day selling life insurance. Jesus was a heretic and his own people didn't understand what he was trying to say because they were a little slow on the uptake - i.e. ugh, sun...make plant grow....water come down... to drink. Fire....make babies taste goooooooddddd.

[Anomalocaris]

Jesus rarely used scripture. Most of his conversations were ad-lib. No w you require me to use scripture to prove a point? Would you require the messiah to have a bible in hand? If so which version would seal his authenticity?

Jesus used scripture and much more than you have and He knew it's actual meaning unlike you. If you can call me stupid for not reading the biased info on evolution you present, then why can't I believe you're stupid for not using scripture.

Mainly because you really are stupid while he is not?

Seems so obvious you must be stupid to have to ask.