God his own Enemy

[viocjit]

Jesus used scripture and much more than you have and He knew it's actual meaning unlike you. If you can call me stupid for not reading the biased info on evolution you present, then why can't I believe you're stupid for not using scripture.

Mainly because you really are stupid while he is not?

Seems so obvious you must be stupid to have to ask.

For those who read the Gospels.
If you know a little the talmud (Hebrew : תלמוד [Means : Learning or Instruction]). You can see that if Jesus really did existed and that the gospels contain the real teaching of Jesus , he spoke with a talmudic language.
Example the parable with the mote and the beam (Matthew 7:3-5 and Luke 6:41-42).

Source who prove that this parable is in the talmud :
1.The Mote and the Beam , George B. King , The Harvard Theological Review Vol. 17, No. 4 (Oct., 1924)
2.

"Take out the beam from thine eye."
Both. This is from the Talmud, AND more or less the same quote may also be found in the Gospels: "Cast out the beam out of thine own eye" (Matt. 7:5, KJV) or "Take the plank out of your own eye" (NIV). All Talmudic quotations in this quiz will be quoted from "The Wisdom of the Talmud," a short collection of sayings selected from the Talmud and compiled into a book edited by Madison C. Peters. This book, unfortunately, does not cite chapter and verse, but quiztakers can read that short book to find these quotes, if interested. For Gospel quotes, I will cite book, chapter, and verse.

From this link : http://www.funtrivia.com/en/subtopics/Ta...11155.html

3.See by yourself in the talmud.

Conclusion : Therefore if the Jesus in the gospels is the historical Jesus he said things who are not in the scriptures.

[ThomM]

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I wouldn't call it a false or "my own" version at all. The facts speak for themselves. God is a tyrant which evil satan aspired to be like. For his trouble he was cast to Earth where he is given a kingdom where he can play God.

Judging God in anyway other than how the bible repersents Him makes that judgement seperate from the bibles. Which makes it Your judgement.


Since when does the existence of a "god" in a book of fairy tales represent a REAL god - no proof has ever been presented to show that any such god exists - and it is easy to prove that a god cannot be everything claimed in the bible




Example - the claim that the christ was a real person has never been proven - even though the xtians have had over 2000 years - using the best methods - and with almost unlimited funds. THe christ remains a MYTH of religion - no more true than Hercules.

I can quote from the bible too - example - Luke 1:37 Nothing is impossible with god. But of course we know that CANNOT be true based on the claim of ALL KNOWING as well. Today - I can reply to your message - something I had no idea I would do last year - or at any time previous - and that is a power YOU also have. SO - tell me - what can your GOD do today that he has no prior knowledge of? Worse - also tell me - what can your god DO - that he had no prior knowledge of as well?

Sorry -

[Bad Writer]

There is a passage that says the word is written in out hearts - I take it to mean that DNA is that notorious word, beautiful and dazzling in its brilliance.

If we all study IT religiously I dare say we may come to know God quite well, as the man in the mirror.

That's not beautiful; that's moronic. You have no idea how DNA works if you think it's only in a person's heart. DNA isn't only in the blood. It's in our bones, our marrow, our skin, our hair...and so much more. He may as well of said "the word is written in our toenail clippings" if he was really referring to DNA.

No, more likely the author was referring to the archaic notion that people's emotions and thoughts came from the heart. The bible is simply old-ass bullshit, no matter what spin you might want to put on it.

And how do you know God looks like the man in the mirror? I thought he was a spirit, or was it a burning bush...oh, right, Genesis says he made man in his image. Well, I guess we'll chalk this one up to cherry picking what you want out of the Bible to fit what you believe him to look like.

[Dionysius]

There is a passage that says the word is written in out hearts - I take it to mean that DNA is that notorious word, beautiful and dazzling in its brilliance.

If we all study IT religiously I dare say we may come to know God quite well, as the man in the mirror.

That's not beautiful; that's moronic. You have no idea how DNA works if you think it's only in a person's heart. DNA isn't only in the blood. It's in our bones, our marrow, our skin, our hair...and so much more. He may as well of said "the word is written in our toenail clippings" if he was really referring to DNA.

No, more likely the author was referring to the archaic notion that people's emotions and thoughts came from the heart. The bible is simply old-ass bullshit, no matter what spin you might want to put on it.

And how do you know God looks like the man in the mirror? I thought he was a spirit, or was it a burning bush...oh, right, Genesis says he made man in his image. Well, I guess we'll chalk this one up to cherry picking what you want out of the Bible to fit what you believe him to look like.

I think you're a little quick on the moron and a little short on the metaphor.

[Godscreated]

Jesus used scripture and much more than you have and He knew it's actual meaning unlike you. If you can call me stupid for not reading the biased info on evolution you present, then why can't I believe you're stupid for not using scripture.

How can information on evolution be biased? Its not open to different interpretations, its just cold hard facts.

Bull evolutionary scientist do not agree on all of the aspects of evolution.

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Jesus used scripture and much more than you have and He knew it's actual meaning unlike you. If you can call me stupid for not reading the biased info on evolution you present, then why can't I believe you're stupid for not using scripture.

I doubt you'd even recognize Jesus if he knocked on your door one day selling life insurance. Jesus was a heretic and his own people didn't understand what he was trying to say because they were a little slow on the uptake - i.e. ugh, sun...make plant grow....water come down... to drink. Fire....make babies taste goooooooddddd.

I see when you get excited you have a stuttering problem, sorry to see that, maybe you could sing your statements when you are excited.

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Mainly because you really are stupid while he is not?

Seems so obvious you must be stupid to have to ask.

For those who read the Gospels.
If you know a little the talmud (Hebrew : תלמוד [Means : Learning or Instruction]). You can see that if Jesus really did existed and that the gospels contain the real teaching of Jesus , he spoke with a talmudic language.
Example the parable with the mote and the beam (Matthew 7:3-5 and Luke 6:41-42).

Source who prove that this parable is in the talmud :
1.The Mote and the Beam , George B. King , The Harvard Theological Review Vol. 17, No. 4 (Oct., 1924)
2.

"Take out the beam from thine eye."
Both. This is from the Talmud, AND more or less the same quote may also be found in the Gospels: "Cast out the beam out of thine own eye" (Matt. 7:5, KJV) or "Take the plank out of your own eye" (NIV). All Talmudic quotations in this quiz will be quoted from "The Wisdom of the Talmud," a short collection of sayings selected from the Talmud and compiled into a book edited by Madison C. Peters. This book, unfortunately, does not cite chapter and verse, but quiztakers can read that short book to find these quotes, if interested. For Gospel quotes, I will cite book, chapter, and verse.

From this link : http://www.funtrivia.com/en/subtopics/Ta...11155.html

3.See by yourself in the talmud.

Conclusion : Therefore if the Jesus in the gospels is the historical Jesus he said things who are not in the scriptures.

The two best modern day translations use the word log. Your using an old English translation and a translation that relied on that old English translation.

[Dionysius]

I see when you get excited you have a stuttering problem, sorry to see that, maybe you could sing your statements when you are excited.

I do believe you've missed the point but that is rather business as usual when it comes to Christianity.

[Godscreated]

I see when you get excited you have a stuttering problem, sorry to see that, maybe you could sing your statements when you are excited.

I do believe you've missed the point but that is rather business as usual when it comes to Christianity.

I missed nothing, it's you who missed the whole thing.

[Esquilax]

Bull evolutionary scientist do not agree on all of the aspects of evolution.

Oh man, you make this too easy: they may disagree on the finer details, but not a one of the real scientists think that it doesn't happen.

Oh, and also, incidentally, does that mean christianity isn't a fact, since you guys have protestants and catholics and baptists and mormons and etc etc and none of them agree on all aspects of your religion?

[viocjit]

How can information on evolution be biased? Its not open to different interpretations, its just cold hard facts.

Bull evolutionary scientist do not agree on all of the aspects of evolution.

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I doubt you'd even recognize Jesus if he knocked on your door one day selling life insurance. Jesus was a heretic and his own people didn't understand what he was trying to say because they were a little slow on the uptake - i.e. ugh, sun...make plant grow....water come down... to drink. Fire....make babies taste goooooooddddd.

I see when you get excited you have a stuttering problem, sorry to see that, maybe you could sing your statements when you are excited.

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For those who read the Gospels.
If you know a little the talmud (Hebrew : תלמוד [Means : Learning or Instruction]). You can see that if Jesus really did existed and that the gospels contain the real teaching of Jesus , he spoke with a talmudic language.
Example the parable with the mote and the beam (Matthew 7:3-5 and Luke 6:41-42).

Source who prove that this parable is in the talmud :
1.The Mote and the Beam , George B. King , The Harvard Theological Review Vol. 17, No. 4 (Oct., 1924)
2.
From this link : http://www.funtrivia.com/en/subtopics/Ta...11155.html

3.See by yourself in the talmud.

Conclusion : Therefore if the Jesus in the gospels is the historical Jesus he said things who are not in the scriptures.

The two best modern day translations use the word log. Your using an old English translation and a translation that relied on that old English translation.

I don't know a translation who change the meaning of the words for these verses.
Yes I use an old translation (KJV) but we don't care about the words only the meaning of these words are essential.
Also these passages from talmud are only a translation because it was wrote in Hebrew.

Which are the best translations in modern language for you ?

[Tonus]

You are talking out both sides of your mouth, at one point you say God is denying Job of his free will, and then you propose an idea that God should keep His protection upon Job. You have invalidated your own argument.

I was not making an argument as much as I was considering the story from various angles, some of which are bound to contradict. I think the idea that god involving himself with humans violates free will is nonsense, but since it's an argument that is put forth, I thought to consider it in the context of the story of Job.

God did not bait Satan, God put Satan to the test, do you real think the Book of Job is only about Job, then you have not studied the book at all. Satan was the serpent in the garden, he is referred to as the serpent of old who deceived. Satan was thrown out of heaven before the fall of Adam and Eve.

My point was that god brought the issue up, and practically goaded Satan into responding. That's in keeping with the brash god of the OT, but to a modern-day reader it's not a very flattering portrayal. Better to have made the devil the instigator and thus show his nature, but it's possible that the devil as understood by the writer of the book of Job is vastly different from the one in the NT. It's not until the NT that satan is identified as the serpent from the Genesis story, isn't it?

God does not promise an easy life nor a prosperous life for those who serve Him, not in a way you could understand, the good life He promises for those who chose Christ is a spiritual one.

I can recall that on at least a couple of occasions, god promised the Israelites good fortune if they followed his laws, and bad results if they turned from him. Why wouldn't god promise a better life for those who serve him? If he truly was concerned for the welfare of all people, someone like Job would have been a terrific example of what could be gained by serving god, which is what he wants from humanity, isn't it? Why does god work against his own purposes? That makes no sense.

Now for what happened at the council, God asked Satan if he had seen Job and all that he had, Satan being jealous told God he would not have had all that if God had not protected him and prospered him. It was Satan who proposed that Job would not be faithful to God if God removed that protection, in other words Satan challenged God, not the other way around as you claim. God was reminding Satan what he had given up because of his betrayal of God, this is what God was saying to Satan when He asked Satan if he had noticed Job.

God teases Satan with the knowledge that Job is under his protection, knowing that Satan is jealous and will react... but you don't think that god baited Satan? Errr... okay.