Question for our resident creationist(s)

[CleanShavenJesus]

"theory" "law" "fact"..... whatever!

Time to move on, then.

[Creed of Heresy]

Look... I appreciate your time and energy spent writing all this down for me.

*sighs explosively* Given what follows, I don't believe you at all.

But, the fact remains that its all theory.

Yes. It is. I already know what. We all already know that. I also know that you're about to try to say "it's only a theory" as if the word theory somehow means it's not true. To quote the Oxford Dictionary:

a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.

Basically, "only a theory" is the same as saying "only a fact."

And I should've clarified earlier that I meant the miracle is that water is here on earth in abundance. Not that it exsists at all.

It doesn't clarify anything, because, as has been stated before, hydrogen is the most common element in the universe. The fact it's in such large quantities throughout our solar system is evidence of this already. Take a gander at a comet or two; they're basically giant balls of frozen water zipping around through space. The earth is billions of years old (4.54 to be exact-ish). Even if hydrogen hadn't accrued in large quantities during its earliest stages of formation in the nebulae, the inevitable impact of comets (of which there are quite a few zipping around the solar system) would have seeded even more water on our proto-planet, which was quite hot and would have melted the hydrogen in its ice form and produced steam that would have been caught by our planet's gravity well...which is how it would have happened if hydrogen was part of the matter accretion to begin with.

But, the frustration of trying to prove a point that is based on theory is the point I'm making here.

*sighs, pinches bridge of nose* See, this is why you should've spent less time at the altar, and more time paying attention in science class... What you basically just said to me (and I get that you really don't know this) was "The frustration of trying to prove a point based on the proven explanation of something proven to happen is the point I'm trying to make." In other words, you are finally speaking a bit of fact: Yes it IS very frustrating trying to explain how something is fact by using explanations that have since proven it's a fact to someone who clearly doesn't know the meaning of FACT!

I really don't give a rats posterior about theory until its law! Its fun to watch but could blow-up in your face at any moment.

LESS TIME. THE ALTAR. MORE TIME. SCIENCE CLASS. Theories do not become laws, EVER, because laws are the what, and theories are the why. An explanation of HOW things work does NOT become an explanation of "WHAT" those things are. What sense would that make??

Until then, you are in my position of arguing observations by men, and your passion about [believing] it true.

Since I just tore about your position, this holds no weight.

I'll take the atheists platform here: "There isn't enough evidence to convince me." When you can prove your point(s) beyond a shadow of a doubt, I'll believe you, and the scientific community."

THAT'S WHAT A THEORY DOES!!

But, this is just stuff written in books based on: observation, hypothosis, and theory. It NOT LAW... Yet. And no amount of you screaming and swearing at me will change that fact. Or prove your theory personally!

Sound familiar?

Bolding is mine: It never will be, as stated before. I don't need to prove my theory; it's already been rigorously proven by hundreds if not thousands of controlled experiments, studies, observations, and tests to prove it over and over again. And yes, it DOES sound familiar; I hear it from the mouth of every scientifically illiterate person I come across, and never from the mouth of anyone who is educated to any basic extent in scientific procedure.

[Bad Writer]

"theory" "law" "fact"..... whatever!

whatever...ist?

Last I looked this is the Christianity section of the Atheist form.

Yes. Of the Atheist forum. You keep saying this like it's supposed to mean anything. Are you implying that we're supposed to be nice to Christianity here?

I went to school many years ago... And unfortunately, I didn't make the rocket scientist grade like many of you here.

Damn, I didn't get to be a rocket scientist either. I guess that means I can't possibly know the first thing about disbelieving in bullshit.

We have observations, writings and experiments by "others". The personal experiences we have are limited. We are a nation of observers.

Nothing is keeping you from getting off your arse and experimenting with the rest of them. You gotta start somewhere, so if you want to talk with us on these topics, do a quick Google search of "Age of the Universe" and "Theory of Evolution" and read what scientists are actually saying about it. It's so dumbed down that even the resident Bad Writer here can understand it. Pick one...any of them...you don't even have to read the entire thing. Skim it if you get bored. Then come back and tell us what you think about whatever topic you chose to look into, if even it was for a brief moment that you looked.

[ronedee]

Yes. It is. I already know what. We all already know that. I also know that you're about to try to say "it's only a theory" as if the word theory somehow means it's not true. To quote the Oxford Dictionary:

a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.

Basically, "only a theory" is the same as saying "only a fact."


*sighs, pinches bridge of nose* See, this is why you should've spent less time at the altar, and more time paying attention in science class... What you basically just said to me (and I get that you really don't know this) was "The frustration of trying to prove a point based on the proven explanation of something proven to happen is the point I'm trying to make." In other words, you are finally speaking a bit of fact: Yes it IS very frustrating trying to explain how something is fact by using explanations that have since proven it's a fact to someone who clearly doesn't know the meaning of FACT!


THAT'S WHAT A THEORY DOES!!


Bolding is mine: It never will be, as stated before. I don't need to prove my theory; it's already been rigorously proven by hundreds if not thousands of controlled experiments, studies, observations, and tests to prove it over and over again. And yes, it DOES sound familiar; I hear it from the mouth of every scientifically illiterate person I come across, and never from the mouth of anyone who is educated to any basic extent in scientific procedure.

And maybe you should spend less time pinching your nose, and more time figuring out what a "theory" actually "isn't"...

Antonyms (opposite) for theory:

* fact
* information
* reality

* truth
* calculation
* knowledge
* measurement

* proof
* certainty

"No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong." Albert Einstein

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[Bad Writer]

That Einstein quote is spot on. If you agree with what Einstein says right there, then why are you arguing with us? Scientific Theories are the best approximations of looking at the Universe accurately. Theories in the Scientific Community are the Graduations (if you will) of an idea. It's no longer a Hypothesis. It's no longer unproven. But...it remains a theory because we accept that we do not know everything. If there is something more to know about Theory, it will be added in due time. This is why Science is always advancing; never complete, but always on the move.

[Creed of Heresy]

I went to school many years ago... And unfortunately, I didn't make the rocket scientist grade like many of you here. I have my bandwidth of knowledge pertaining to my career and interests. And much, much more to think about in day to day life than arguing the finer points of gas & vapor in the solar system.

To address the first part: Neither did I. I just really, really loved science class. Once I got out of school, I kept paying attention to it because I realized that my day to day life was really unimportant compared to the universe at large. Also because I didn't want to suffer intellectual stagnation.

Then why are you trying to do so? See, if you make claims that are bullshit and the people around you know it's bullshit, don't expect people to tolerate the bullshit. Expect them instead to call you out on it, and if you're REALLY lucky they'll be kind enough to try to educate you on why it's bullshit so that in the future you don't make the same mistake and instead can participate in future discussions on the topic, enlightened and knowledgeable and able to garner far more respect from the smarter amongst those you associate with.

But, as usual, this isn't about an exchange of ideas. It's a competition of discredit, insults and one-upmanship. And, I usually fall [in it] and go right down that path with you!

Discrediting is what happens when you say things that are patently false. That's no fault of ours. Insults and one-upmanship, same reason.

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And maybe you should spend less time pinching your nose, and more time figuring out what a "theory" actually "isn't"...

Antonyms (opposite) for theory:

* fact
* information
* reality

* truth
* calculation
* knowledge
* measurement

* proof
* certainty

"No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong." Albert Einstein

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Your level of ignorance is unbelievable. It's astounding. It's absolutely truly 100% fucking incredible. You're such a fucking moron that you're using ANTONYMS FOR THE NON-SCIENTIFIC APPLICATION OF THE WORD 'THEORY' in a desperate gamble to give some credence to your baseless opinion. Jesus fuck!

http://theoretical.askdefine.com/

To quote:

The word theory has many distinct meanings in different fields of knowledge, depending on their methodologies and the context of discussion.
In science a theory is a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise verified through empirical observation. For the scientist, "theory" is not in any way an antonym of "fact". For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theories commonly used to describe and explain this behavior are Newton's theory of universal gravitation (see also gravitation), and the general theory of relativity.
In common usage, the word theory is often used to signify a conjecture, an opinion, a speculation, or a hypothesis. In this usage, a theory is not necessarily based on facts; in other words, it is not required to be consistent with true descriptions of reality. This usage of theory leads to the common incorrect statements*. True descriptions of reality are more reflectively understood as statements which would be true independently of what people think about them.
According to the National Academy of Sciences, Some scientific explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. The explanation becomes a scientific theory. In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation. Not so in science. In science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature that is supported by many facts gathered over time. Theories also allow scientists to make predictions about as yet unobserved phenomena.

You're trying to use the common, non-scientific usage of the word "theory" to try to discredit the scientific usage of theory.

You're unbelievable, you know that?

* THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

[Jackalope]

Ronedee - when you find yourself in a hole....

Stop digging.

[Minimalist]

Last I looked this is the Christianity section of the Atheist form.

Correct. It is here that xtians are given a particular drubbing for being assholes.

[Esquilax]

And maybe you should spend less time pinching your nose, and more time figuring out what a "theory" actually "isn't"...

Antonyms (opposite) for theory:

* fact
* information
* reality

* truth
* calculation
* knowledge
* measurement

* proof
* certainty

"No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong." Albert Einstein

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This is getting pathetic: just admit that you were wrong, asshole.

Oh, and by the fucking way: even if you were absolutely right here- and you aren't, at all, ever- you still haven't gone even one step toward rebutting the real, confirmed and not at all theoretical reservoir of water feeding a black hole that is several million times bigger than earth.

You know you've stepped in it when, even assuming the other wrong thing you've said is right, you're still completely and utterly wrong.

[Creed of Heresy]

It drives me nuts. There's so many people in this world who are scientifically illiterate and base their entire lives around false concepts, when the information is so easily accessed as merely clicking a mouse a couple times and typing a few words into a search engine. All these people basing their most fervent, cherished beliefs against stating something is false or untrue, just because someone else tells them it is.

You know who else does that? Islamic terrorists. Yeah, the guys who blow themselves up? Illiterate morons, ignorant of the world around them, easily beguiled, heads so easily filled with lies because of their own ignorance that they'll believe anything, including the promise of a bunch of virgins (or sweet grapes, depending on the interpretation) afterwards, with NO proof of it being something they'll receive one way or the other, usually after spending a lifetime in sexual repression because of those same people feeding them those lies.

Christians in the US are two steps from becoming that too, if what they've been chanting and drumming about lately has any indicators...