Christians, why are you hear (If you want to convert atheists read this)

[Bad Writer]

I have no obligation to prove anything to you...or anyone else.

I have asked the Lord to reveal Himself to me. He did. You do the same!

Simple!

You have to break eggs to make a La friitata!

If you don't have an obligation to prove your claims, then you have no reason to pander them about like they're true. Tough titties.

So why should I pray to something that you won't even prove exists? Sounds like wasted effort, just like your words here.

[Angrboda]

I see a person who wrote a book detailing the methodology to attain contact with the divine..... methodology which relies heavily on self-delusion and confirmation bias...

Self delusion will only get someone so far. We have been instructed to constantly Ask, constantly seek, and to continually knock which will quickly destroy any self delusion.

I don't know where you learned psychology from, but this is simply wrong. This is not how the human mind works.

If any of your conclusions rest upon this assumption, then those conclusions are unsound.

[Lemonvariable72]

I can't believe I made such a dumb grammar error.

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I'm going to put converting atheists into a simple 3 step program
1. Prove there is a god
2. Prove that it is the god of your religion
3. Prove that god is worship worthy, have at it.

1. Prove there is no God.
2.
3.

If #1 is proved, or disproved in your case.... 2&3 are irrevelant.

I can't prove there is no god, but I can prove there is no christian god.
Here is the link to a thread where I did just that.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-20609.html

[pocaracas]

I can't believe I made such a dumb grammar error.

Yes you did.... now ask a moderator to correct it, or else it will haunt us for ever!

[ronedee]

I can't prove there is no god, but I can prove there is no christian god.
Here is the link to a thread where I did just that.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-20609.html

If you want to refute the Christian God, then refute The Christ Jesus' words about Him.

I'll wait.....

[Bad Writer]

Jesus never said anything because he never existed. God's as fictional as the biblical character talking about him. Ronedee, if you want to go the route of external sources to back up your bible's claims, then be my guest, but they'll be shown to be faulty and non contemporaneous as well...again.

[ronedee]

Jesus never said anything because he never existed. God's as fictional as the biblical character talking about him. Ronedee, if you want to go the route of external sources to back up your bible's claims, then be my guest, but they'll be shown to be faulty and non contemporaneous as well...again.

LOL! Well, double negative!

There are external sources, w/o explanation, on either side of the line. But you don't know. We do know. Pretty simple.

If you don't know the reasons for life itself, then why would you know anything about God?

Jesus pointed out the "way". All we need do is practice it.

I am living proof that God exists, for so many reasons I can't count them. Everything that I, and my family, and Christian friends have asked for, we have receieved.

And NO...we don't ask to hit the Lottery. But, more important things in life. Because we know God, and how He works. And as loving children know their parents wishes, we abide by them, and respect them.

The difference between you and me is: I went to Him. You won't. So there you have it. A mexican stand-off between you and God. Thing is, God has much more time and patience then you do.

[Foxaèr]

I am living proof that God exists.

Besides being absolutely full of yourself, you are no more proof of your god's existence than is anything upon the earth where we live.

Because we know God, and how He works.

The unknowable god

The difference between you and me is: I went to Him.

Someone can believe in the delusion that he is in the presence of a unicorn, but that person needs to see a psychiatric professional. I see no difference between believing one has gone toward god than having gone toward a unicorn.

[pocaracas]

I am living proof that God exists, for so many reasons I can't count them. Everything that I, and my family, and Christian friends have asked for, we have receieved.

And NO...we don't ask to hit the Lottery. But, more important things in life. Because we know God, and how He works. And as loving children know their parents wishes, we abide by them, and respect them.

Me and my family have it pretty nicely.
- roof over our heads
- food on the table
- relatively free from disease, except the usual cough, cold, a bit of dentistry requirements, a case of dust allergy... little more.
- I can say that I have a good grasp on understanding how the world around me works. My wife is also educated and can accompany any explanation I provide... the kids... still need to grow up.... but they're on their way.

And yet, I'm atheist, I ask for nothing... I work for it, I try as hard as I can and I take advantage of the opportunities I get.
I'm betting you and your family have somewhat the same sort of good fortune, but you attribute it to god granting what you ask, while I see the world as it presents itself, no god included.... just people, animals, microbes, plants, rocks and sunlight... etc...

Then we have the other side of the coin....
My sister-in-law, catholic, married a guy who's uber-catholic. They go to church every Sunday, Thank their lord for every meal, pray before going to bed, bla bla bla, I'm sure they ask for the same things you do.
They have 5 children and almost all have some health problem:
1- Asthma + shortsightedness (at 8yo)
2- Burned with hot milk part of his neck and chest when he was 2~3.... scarred for life.
3- slight facial paralysis, one eye is slightly, but noticeably, closed at all times.
4- Had an infection at birth that never got quite healed. As a result it ate through some bones in one of his ear... is practically deaf from one side.
5- Still too young...

On top of that, their home was robbed 2 years ago, they lost a lot of valuable stuff; her husband has been put on a shitty position at work, in the hopes that he'll quit, so the company doesn't have to pay him any compensation for firing him.

So yeah... do tell me how asking gets you anything...
You just got the standard deal.
Some people get more, some get less, regardless of how much asking is done.
It's life!

[Drich]

Self delusion will only get someone so far. We have been instructed to constantly Ask, constantly seek, and to continually knock which will quickly destroy any self delusion.

I don't know where you learned psychology from, but this is simply wrong. This is not how the human mind works.

If any of your conclusions rest upon this assumption, then those conclusions are unsound.

Then why have so many of you fallen away from the faiths of your fathers?
(I'm not speaking to one person alpo I'm speaking of those who are members here that grew up in Christianity, and have fallen away.)