If these resident theists really talk to god..

[Lemonvariable72]

All the ones that missluckie posted. Now I want proof of your illness and proof that god cured you.

I'm not giving you nor anyone else anything that identifies me to you. You have my word, take it or leave it. Why? Because none of it means anything to you anyway. You only want to see if I can produce something that will silence you, and most of you will speak foolishly anyway. If that is the case then assume I can not and move on. God does not provide the absolute 'proof' for any of you either, at least not before your willing to humble yourselves before him first. Otherwise it is God speaks and you can take it or leave it. I think that is a pretty smart philosophy, so I will be following suit.

If you learn to humble yourselves before God and accept Christ as your savior I will show you all the proof I have. I will show you personal pictures and let you look at what is left of the 100 scares on my arms and shoulders. I'll introduce you to my parents and let you speak to them, my sisters let you speak to them. Ill introduce you to the preacher who ministered to me during this period in my life.

If you never accept Christ then you have my word to go on. Take it or leave it. it makes absolutly no difference to me.

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And this is what you consider a near death experience?

No.

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I call bullshit on your claim. If it is was true you'd be the second man ever and there would articles on it that you would have linked long ago. So proof that this happened and it was gods work or shut the fuck up you full of shit little asshole.

This happened in the mid to late 90s I might have been the first. Who knows because back then it was just considered a false positive no matter what the situation was. because back then confirmed aids was always a death sentence. No matter what. (Unless you were magic Johnson and had press and money.)

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I call bullshit on your claim. If it is was true you'd be the second man ever and there would articles on it that you would have linked long ago. So proof that this happened and it was gods work or shut the fuck up you full of shit little asshole.

This happened in the mid to late 90s I might have been the first. Who knows because back then it was just considered a false positive no matter what the situation was. because back then confirmed aids was always a death sentence. No matter what. (Unless you were magic Johnson and had press and money.)

So what suddenly changes if we accept Jesus? I was a Christian most of my life and prayed daily for years and do you know what evidence I got, when I followed Luke 11 and prayed about it for months I got nothing.
And drich how dare you speak for my intentions, for I simply want to see if you claim is true. You give me no reason to think it is.

[Beta Ray Bill]

If you don't want to read a life story, skip this, but I hope Drich reads it.

When I was a teenager, I developed epilepsy. I was super-religious and went to church every Sunday. As I got older, my epilepsy got worse and worse. Granted, I didn't go to church because I had a weekend job. Eventually, I got so sick I couldn't work anymore, and I was scared to death of God punishing me eith seizures. Then I started meditating and studying Buddhism. My fear of God weakened, and my seizures lightened up signifcantly. I began taking less and less medicine. Eventually, I gave up Buddhism and became a complete atheist. My illness lightened up even more.

What's the point of my telling my life story? To show Drich that faith isn't necessary to overcome a disease. Do I still have seizures? Yes, but they aren't anywhere near as bad as they used to be. Having faith in myself helped me, not faith in some supreme being. Are atheists perfect? No, they are only human, just like Christians. Drich, you fon't need faith in a god to save yourself, just live life to the best of your abilities, and good things will happen to you. And bad things, too. That's just a fact of life. It doesn't favor anyone, no matter what they believe.

[Mystical]

Cue *you didn't do it right and *not a true christian, explanations to sweep you under his rug.

[Zazzy]

just live life to the best of your abilities, and good things will happen to you. And bad things, too. That's just a fact of life. It doesn't favor anyone, no matter what they believe.

Perfectly said, therefore worth quoting.

[Lemonvariable72]

I also want to add something drich. If your not willing to provide any evidence of your illness, then why do you pass it as evidence of god? Do you think people will take your word for such a claim. I would never expect people to just take my word for something like that.

[Mystical]

My father has terminal cancer, he's an atheist. Never once seen or heard him talk about any sort of god, whatever that is.

Drich Wrote:
first response:
When the blackness consumes him, he will cry out maybe not to you, but to God. Rest assured every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. [PREACHING]

Fidel knows someone on his death bed who he has not witnessed, crying out to God for mercy.

I too was on my death bed, and I know when the darkness consumes you, one will cry out for mercy.

I further extended the idea that even if this man did not cry out infront of fidel, that does not mean he has not cried out thus giving fidel some hope of assureance that his Father was not automatically doomed to Hell.

So again stimy tell me what I should be sorry for?

Should I be sorry that I can speak of a death bed experience??

Should I be sorry that you think Fidel wants his dad to die an unrepentant sinner?

Should I be sorry for the fact that at some point maybe fidel may have a revelation about God, become saved and then be worried about his Father?

Should I be sorry for the fact that you are a quick to judge douche bag looking to peresecute someone who does not believe as you believe, and jumps at the oppertunity to make those who oppose your world views jump through hoops?

Maybe help me out here to understand be a little more specific.
Lemme break it down for you.

I shall be addressing what you've said in this thread which started this whole discussion, and encorporate something related that you brought to light about what (supposedly happened) in other threads.

Measles Outbreak at Vaccine Denying church

I pointed out that I had a positive Hiv test along with some flagship symptoms of full blown AIDS, and upon my follow up two weeks later my symptoms were gone and my test came back negitive. The only thing I did was pray durning that time. My doctor called it a mirical and even tried to document the case but was dismissed because 'science' was not able to classify what had happened. Well, I guess it happens often enough to be given a classification now, but still it can not be explained unles someone calls it (by faith) a mutated form of HIV.

Again God does alot in ourworld today. It's just dismissed because 'science' can not reproduce what He alone has done. and because scientist can not reproduce it, it is somehow dismissed as not being possiable.

What a backwards way to think.

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I am saying if you do not think you would ask God to spare your life when face with a terrible disease like aids, I am asking you to allow me to pray that God strike you down with aids, cancer or whatever it takes for you to beg and or grovel for your life. Why? To simply prove the point that there are no atheist when you are staring down the barrel of eternity. That is how I know those 'elite controllers' were healed. Because I know they prayed. Even the ones who thought they were atheist.

There is nothing I am offering to do for you that I have not already prayed for myself. In that, a long time ago I asked God to do whatever it took, even if it meant my life, to help me see and understand Him. I now offer that on your behalf for you. Not as a curse but an opportunity to not only know yourself, but in the journey to get to know God.

Question: Did your doctor really call it a miracle or is that just an extrapolation on your part? I ask, because as an 'elite controller', you're not cleared of the virus at all---aka: healed-- because the virus is still inside you, it is merely unable to affect your immune system in the way it does with normal patients.

Listen Drich, I'm not trying to belittle your experience, I'm sure it was horrifying (although the online site for molluscum contagiosum, it states that they aren't painful and usually rectify themselves on their own. Living in the hot humid climate that you do, I'm quite certain that it's quite easy to pick up such a virus.

I'm just trying to understand why you think you have a free pass on knowing what happens on deaths' door to the point you're perfectly fine with belittling the memory and circumstance of someone with biased bullshit that you claim goes for "all the world, everyone on deaths' door, all the atheists in foxholes, anyone with a bullet flying at their head, anyone who've faced mortality, all the other elite controllers (who are statistically atheists, btw), etc etc etcetera.. And then turn around and accuse someone in bereavement of doing what you just fucking did yourself to them then accusing them of using the memory of their dying father to make a point.

How is your perception of my response any different than how I was treated after I shared my battle with a deadly virus?

You USED your father's condition as a panic stop to the conversation, and as leverage to try and dismiss everything I said. Which was based on my own observation dealing directly with death. This coupled with your response above makes you a terriable person and a hipocrite to boot.

You DID the VERY THING you Accused me of Doing!!! But your not pissing all over what could potentialy be a made up condition concerning my Father, or what amounts to a hear say account of someone elses situation.. you've pissed all over what I had to say about my own dealings with HIV. with again what amounts to a hear say account of what you think your dad may or may not be going through.

The blackness is death/Fear of death. We will all be consumed by the blackness at one point or another, therefore the qualifier 'if' is not needed as we all die or will fear death as out time on this world comes to an end.

I said 'rest assured' because no matter how devoute one is to their atheism in life, in death we all tend to want to cover our bases. Meaning there is still hope for the eternal state of fidel's father.

Oh and are you saying his dad has to be suicidal in order to not pray to god on his deathbed?

Only the truly sucidal embrace death. All others will do what they can to live. If one accepts his death, then there is a final appeal to simply cover his bases the best that he can. That is all that was said.

what is worse? failing to offer a platitude? or letting someone think their beloved Father is burning in Hell?

First of all, prove these assertions along with your assertion about half a dozen people telling you you should've died or whatever.

I was where fidel claims his dad is, and you all were all less than compassionate to my situation. (I was called a f*** liar, was told I should have died, that I should pray for AIDS again, etc.. So ask yourself why should I lead with platitudes and condolances?

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I did not treat this man's situation any worse then my own nor did I stoop to the level you 'good' people did either. I gave him the same respect as I gave myself sharing a similar situation. What more is there to give?

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Never mind how I know this to be true... lets hear some more about this thrid hand account your discussing.

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Second of all: You weren't on death's door like Fidels' father.

I will be praying that you be subject to whatever it takes to provide you with eternal life. For some this could mean a winning lottery ticket, but to the hard hearted this usally means to be broken Spiritually which usally follows a physical break in one's health. Again whatever it takes is the key here. Not nessarily your death.

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I am not asking for the negitive for the sake of negitive things to happen to you. I am simply offering the same prayer on your behalf that i asked God on mine. To help me see, to open my eyes, my ears, my heart even if it means my health, wealth, and over well being to do so. To do whatever it takes to break me mold me, and make me into the person I need to be, even if it means my time here is cut short.

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I am praying that God gives you the gift of an illness like what is being discussed so you can tear down the walls you put up to keep you from Him.

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Big Grin
I know what pneumonia is. I've had it 3 times. the last time I had it for 3 months, (the bug is getting more resistant to the antibotics) So that leads me to ask if your medicine did not work, or you had no access to any medcine, and you lay there dying and knew there was nothing you could do...

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quote=Drich
They do not look like they're underfire to me. Or do you not know what a fox hole is? Those guys look like they work 'in the rear with the gear' where people can still afford to deny God.

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http://atheistforums.org/thread-20532-po...#pid499150
Again those d-bags are not in foxholes.

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I am speaking to what it cost me to force change in my life. I am offering you a chance to experience what I did. I started there simply because that is what i know. In my prayer I ask God to rain down whatever it takes for Stimbo.
This does not automatically means Aids or Cancer. It simply means you must have the willingness to experience whatever it takes to change or even break your heart. I started with personal health because that is what most people hold the most dear.

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Now where would you be if there was no hospital to go to, and your condition was to drag out for weeks months or even years of slow deliberate suffering??

There is a big difference between dying relitivly quickly, than being made to sit and think about it for years all the while your whole life and relationships change.

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It's not only the physical death that taunts you. It the death of every aspect of your life. who you were all that you are is also dead/dying. So you get to spend a great deal of time mourning that as well. If you die quickly of a socially acceptable disease your legacy, lives on. Your people still stand behind and support you. If you died of Aids (20 years ago at least) You died, long before your body surcuumbs to whatever infection that winds up killing you. It is not just death that has people cry out to God. It is this slow agnoizing death of everything you are/were, and then adding insult to injury you have your physical death (probably by something like pneumonia) to look forward to.

When I went through this AIDS was a soul crushing way to die. There was no hope, at least for poor people.

I have not force anything on you. I simply offered to put you on a path that I myself have already been down.

Let me show you where I'm coming from.

You had a rough couple of weeks? Drich, I've had a rough lifetime. I didn't just "think" I was dying, I almost physically died. And so did many members on this forum. I can't speak for them, but I can say that I find it ridiculously offensive that you think that you thinking you're dying (for two weeks) is the same as dying (which is fine, go for it), but don't then expect anyone to not think you're a major douche for speaking matter of factly about what state someone would be in emotionally or physically during a time as touchy as death, even though you know little to nothing about it.

Nextly, one in 100 odds is 1% odds. I myself (counting only one of my illnesses) am 1 in a million, the other 2 in a hundred thousand. That alone is not enough to qualify a near death experience, sorry.

Assuming you speak of the truth with regards to you being an elite controller, there was surely a test that could have been performed to confirm this if you indeed got a legitimate diagnosis, which I highly doubt.. Here are some of them listed. If you were diagnosed as such once, you are still one to this day. You weren't cured, douchely friend. You're in remission.

Elite Controller Research

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According to HIV/AIDS researchers like Levy and Steven Deeks, a professor in the Department of Medicine at UCSF and faculty member of the Positive Health Program at SFGH, “long-term survivors,” or “non-progressors,” make up about 5 to 15 percent of HIV-infected individuals. These people manage to maintain very low or even undetectable amounts of HIV in their blood and remain healthy without the dramatic loss of CD4+ T cells characteristic of most patients with HIV infection. “Elite controllers” represent a special subset of this group, having HIV levels undetectable by standard viral load tests, without the use of antiretroviral drugs. Probably fewer than one in a hundred individuals infected with HIV meet this standard.


The question about defective HIV mutants is still an open one, but Levy and Deeks agree that a weak virus alone does not explain the remarkable survival of all elite controllers. “At the end of the day,” says Deeks, “I suspect that a subset of these people has been infected with a replication-incompetent virus. But, for the most part, when you can find the virus in controllers, it replicates quite well.”


In 1986 Levy and his co-researchers found that when HIV-infected CD4+ cells were placed, in culture, in the presence of CD8+ cells from long-term survivors, they stopped producing HIV. When the CD8+ cells were removed, HIV production resumed.

Levy’s work on CD8+ cells led him to another component of the frontline, innate immune system, plasmacytoid dendritic cells (PDCs). They not only produce interferon when challenged by viruses, but also interact to enhance the activity of CD8+ T cells. Long-term survivors have higher-than-average PDC counts, and elite controllers, higher still. Finding the mechanism by which they are triggered to release interferon is a second key focus of the Levy laboratory.


Although many elite controllers had clear evidence of potent HIV-specific T cell immunity, a surprising number failed to exhibit such a response. Deeks is also looking at why elite controllers have lower numbers of T regulatory cells compared to non-controllers.

They have found that the NK cells of elite controllers frequently express a unique cell surface protein or receptor that may regulate their function.


Power in Numbers: The Need to Recruit More Elite Controllers
With so many mechanisms, and combinations of mechanisms, potentially at work in elite controllers, assimilating data from large numbers of them will be crucial to make statistically significant observations. That’s why Deeks is collaborating with Bruce Walker and Eric Lander of the Broad Institute at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston and a host of other scientists, health-care providers, and AIDS service organizations to grow an international consortium. Their goal is to recruit 2000 elite controllers around the world.

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Real Challenges to Support Elite Controller Research
According to Deeks, there are three critical factors required to grow and support cohorts of elite controllers. First is the willingness of elite controllers to come forward and offer themselves to be studied. Both Deeks and Levy have found HIV controllers to be remarkably generous individuals, highly motivated men and women driven by a desire to give back to others with HIV/AIDS and to find answers to why they have been spared.

With a smile, Deeks describes their generosity. “They say, ‘Sure take my blood. Sure, do a gut biopsy. Sure, I’ll undergo a spinal tap.’ And we will only do what we think is important. But it is a big sacrifice on the part of these guys. A big sacrifice. They get nothing out of it. To do it for the good of science, that’s a pretty cool thing.”

You know what I'd suggest, if you haven't already? Get going to Mass. for this controller test and actually do something for humanity. God gave you a gift, right? Use it. Because I'll guarantee you right here and now: your condescending snide antipathetic remarks on an atheist forum aren't doing shit for your god. If you really cared, you'd be donating your rarity to scientific observation because god made you 'special' for a reason.

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I was told I should have died from AIDS, that I should Pray that God give me AIDS again, that my whole family should die of AIDS... Where were the self righteous defenders of pop morality that day? Where was Stimbo and the verbal warnings then? Why was it ok for me to be blasted for trying to share a mirical, and it is not OK to say that a man on his death bed (Lest he is a Misotheist) will cry out to God?

I treated this situation no differently than how I was treated when I shared my HIV experience, but suddenly I am the monster.

You have yet to prove you were treated this way.

Maybe you all hypocrits should revisit some of the things you told me.

We did, and found you lacking in credibility.

[Drich]

I also want to add something drich. If your not willing to provide any evidence of your illness, then why do you pass it as evidence of god? Do you think people will take your word for such a claim. I would never expect people to just take my word for something like that.

You new so I will be happy to say this for the thousandth time. The things that happened to me, they all add up for proof for ME. Not you. I am only relaying these things to show you that God is ready willing and able to provide you with exactly what you need to establish and maintain a real working relationship with you this is what I needed among a great number of other traumatic things to get my hard atheist heart back on track. When you a/s/k Youre asking for your own relationship with Him. But I took it a step further, and told God to do whatever it takes to change me the way I needed to be changed.

That is what got me I trouble last time. Because I offered to pray the very same prayer that I prayed for myself that I believe left me infected with AIDS, and pray it on you're Alls behalf. To have God do what ever it takes to establish and maintain a strong relationship with Him. To rip out whatever is in your heart keeping you from him. Whether it be health, wealth or a specific loved one. To take whatever from you that you prize the most and keep it. So that it may change whatever need be changed in your life so that you may have a deep and strong relationship with Him.

But again the worshipers of life and self, saw this as a blaspheme against pop morality and 'human decency' (one of many thousands of unforgivable sins a Christian can commit against soceity/non Christians ) and was told to die for it. Which now brings us back full circle.

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If you don't want to read a life story, skip this, but I hope Drich reads it.

When I was a teenager, I developed epilepsy. I was super-religious and went to church every Sunday. As I got older, my epilepsy got worse and worse. Granted, I didn't go to church because I had a weekend job. Eventually, I got so sick I couldn't work anymore, and I was scared to death of God punishing me eith seizures. Then I started meditating and studying Buddhism. My fear of God weakened, and my seizures lightened up signifcantly. I began taking less and less medicine. Eventually, I gave up Buddhism and became a complete atheist. My illness lightened up even more.

What's the point of my telling my life story? To show Drich that faith isn't necessary to overcome a disease. Do I still have seizures? Yes, but they aren't anywhere near as bad as they used to be. Having faith in myself helped me, not faith in some supreme being. Are atheists perfect? No, they are only human, just like Christians. Drich, you fon't need faith in a god to save yourself, just live life to the best of your abilities, and good things will happen to you. And bad things, too. That's just a fact of life. It doesn't favor anyone, no matter what they believe.

When I was very young my mother was a Buddhist, and I had seizures. Really bad ones. I actually remember them. They would start as a slight tremor in a little toe. Almost like so e one grabbed my little toe and began to shake me ever so slightly at first and then more and more violently. Till I woke up with everyone holding me down. I even got to ride on a fire truck once because I swallowed my tongue, and they could not clear it properly...

The moral of my story. Sickness is sometimes just sickness, with nor rhyme or reason to it. What made my aids meaningful was I asked for an oppertunity to connect to God more deeply. Then my world ended, leaving only me and God in it. Thus answered prayer.

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Cue *you didn't do it right and *not a true christian, explanations to sweep you under his rug.

I have no idea whether or not your a true Christian. Not my concern. My concern is to relay my story where ever I think it may help some one.

[max-greece]

I also want to add something drich. If your not willing to provide any evidence of your illness, then why do you pass it as evidence of god? Do you think people will take your word for such a claim. I would never expect people to just take my word for something like that.

Can I just argue the flipside on this one.

When arguments like this come up I have to ask myself the question - would I lie about something like this?

The answer is no.

I will not, therefore, assume that someone else would. To do this is to accept Christian thinking (everyone is basically a savage without Jesus).

I therefore accept Drich's claim that he had aids and further surmise that he is in remission.

Here's the thing: Remission is something medicine does not really understand (a bit like the placebo affect).

So we have Drich in remission and he thinks God did it.

Lets say you manage to persuade him otherwise. Then his aids returns and he dies - but you won the argument on the internet - right?

To me its not worth the victory, but that's just me.

[Lemonvariable72]

I also want to add something drich. If your not willing to provide any evidence of your illness, then why do you pass it as evidence of god? Do you think people will take your word for such a claim. I would never expect people to just take my word for something like that.

You new so I will be happy to say this for the thousandth time. The things that happened to me, they all add up for proof for ME. Not you. I am only relaying these things to show you that God is ready willing and able to provide you with exactly what you need to establish and maintain a real working relationship with you this is what I needed among a great number of other traumatic things to get my hard atheist heart back on track. When you a/s/k Youre asking for your own relationship with Him. But I took it a step further, and told God to do whatever it takes to change me the way I needed to be changed.

That is what got me I trouble last time. Because I offered to pray the very same prayer that I prayed for myself that I believe left me infected with AIDS, and pray it on you're Alls behalf. To have God do what ever it takes to establish and maintain a strong relationship with Him. To rip out whatever is in your heart keeping you from him. Whether it be health, wealth or a specific loved one. To take whatever from you that you prize the most and keep it. So that it may change whatever need be changed in your life so that you may have a deep and strong relationship with Him.

But again the worshipers of life and self, saw this as a blaspheme against pop morality and 'human decency' (one of many thousands of unforgivable sins a Christian can commit against soceity/non Christians ) and was told to die for it. Which now brings us back full circle.

Dude, your religion has you mind so twisted that you prayed for your god to torture people so that they will believe as you do. I do not care about pop morality whatever the hell that is and I live by the golden rule and moral utilitarianism.
Now you want to know what I think of your god? He is a lying hypocrite that holds humans in a complete double standard. Humans can't kill, but he can, he tells humans not to kill the son for the fathers sin but he does, he told the prophets tyre would be destroyed, but it wasn't sacrificing the little boy is a no no but the little girl, let her burn. He also extorts money and cattle from the isrealites on the threat of genocide. And as for his, he died to cover the thousand year old game hod played with eve and thought beating your slaves was fine. And paul is a sexist pig. That all leads me to think that your god is nothing then the imagining of some violent and ignorant men that wanted to control people. There is much evidence( most covered here daily and in a previous post.) I am right and none I am wrong. So there it is you with the warped morality not me, as if your god is not real ( he is a believable as the easter bunny) your morality was simply made up by a bunch of ignorant pigs and in your case it shows.
And BTW fuck you and your prayer.

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I also want to add something drich. If your not willing to provide any evidence of your illness, then why do you pass it as evidence of god? Do you think people will take your word for such a claim. I would never expect people to just take my word for something like that.

Can I just argue the flipside on this one.

When arguments like this come up I have to ask myself the question - would I lie about something like this?

The answer is no.

I will not, therefore, assume that someone else would. To do this is to accept Christian thinking (everyone is basically a savage without Jesus).

I therefore accept Drich's claim that he had aids and further surmise that he is in remission.

Here's the thing: Remission is something medicine does not really understand (a bit like the placebo affect).

So we have Drich in remission and he thinks God did it.

Lets say you manage to persuade him otherwise. Then his aids returns and he dies - but you won the argument on the internet - right?

To me its not worth the victory, but that's just me.

I think a bit different. Some people just because they can, it is ridiculous but for some it is a high. Therefore I ask for evidence and would expect the same in reverse

[Drich]

Question: Did your doctor really call it a miracle or is that just an extrapolation on your part? I ask, because as an 'elite controller', you're not cleared of the virus at all---aka: healed-- because the virus is still inside you, it is merely unable to affect your immune system in the way it does with normal patients.

two things your confusing an elite controller with a HIV controller. Elite's do not have a detectable amount of the virus in their blood. I left a article explaining all of this from aidsmeds.com

Those were the doctors words exactly. He said because of the skin lesions and the pos test he was sure I had advance symptoms and even brought me into his personal office and showed me the book he confirmed the diagnosis from. It had pictures with a guy covered with tthe same leasions I had disbursed in a very similar way.

Listen Drich, I'm not trying to belittle your experience, I'm sure it was horrifying (although the online site for molluscum contagiosum, it states that they aren't painful and usually rectify themselves on their own. Living in the hot humid climate that you do, I'm quite certain that it's quite easy to pick up such a virus.

contracting the skin virus is very common, but it only ever presents with one or two lesions normally. It presents in patients with what is considered to be compromised immune systems by the dozens. It presents in patients with later stages of HIV/AIDS in the hundreds. I had them in the hundreds with in a weeks time. I had just quit my job ,and hired onto a new one. On the second day the manager told me to have my bumps looked at. No insurance no money, the doctors did not even want to see me.

I'm just trying to understand why you think you have a free pass on knowing what happens on deaths' door to the point you're perfectly fine with belittling the memory and circumstance of someone with biased bullshit that you claim goes for "all the world, everyone on deaths' door, all the atheists in foxholes, anyone with a bullet flying at their head, anyone who've faced mortality, all the other elite controllers (who are statistically atheists, btw), etc etc etcetera.. And then turn around and accuse someone in bereavement of doing what you just fucking did yourself to them then accusing them of using the memory of their dying father to make a point.

read what I wrote again. I did not belittle anyone. I simple said Fidel could not possible know what was going through his fathers mind when he looked to his own death. No matter how you want to spin it. Only the person looking at his her mortality knows what they are thinking or whether or not they reach out to God. The point of me saying anything to you people is the boldness in which you all seem to be able to speak for others. When most of you have never been in this situation let alone in the mind of the person you are speaking for.

Oh and are you saying his dad has to be suicidal in order to not pray to god on his deathbed?

no.

First of all, prove these assertions along with your assertion about half a dozen people telling you you should've died or whatever.

I'm not going to rat anyone out for speaking their mind. For me it is not the unforgivable sin to wish someone would die. It is worse to create or support a Gestapo state that you want to creat here. If you want proof get off your ass and look for it! I promise you it is there. I've looked for it and found it. One instance is in a place you've quoted from but there are also others you have not quoted from.

If you find it fine, if not that's ok too. Those who have made these comments know who they are and what they said. I am very content with the fact that their 'superior' morality allows me to be falsely accused of lying. Again a greater principle is being allow to play out here than miss luckies kangaroo court of popular justifications.

Never mind how I know this to be true... lets hear some more about this thrid hand account your discussing.

I don't think you understand the term correctly. Your not using it right in your sentence.

Second of all: You weren't on death's door like Fidels' father.

I was told with no insurance and no help with Meds I may have a year to live. So would you prefer death walk way to the door?

You had a rough couple of weeks? Drich, I've had a rough lifetime. I didn't just "think" I was dying, I almost physically died. And so did many members on this forum. I can't speak for them, but I can say that I find it ridiculously offensive that you think that you thinking you're dying (for two weeks) is the same as dying (which is fine, go for it), but don't then expect anyone to not think you're a major douche for speaking matter of factly about what state someone would be in emotionally or physically during a time as touchy as death, even though you know little to nothing about it.

it was a month total. And why do you believe the biggest event of my life happened here? This is just one little pit stop. It was a big deal at the time, and the last time I want to endure anything like that again, but again compared to everything else. This was easy.


Assuming you speak of the truth with regards to you being an elite controller, there was surely a test that could have been performed to confirm this if you indeed got a legitimate diagnosis, which I highly doubt.. Here are some of them listed. If you were diagnosed as such once, you are still one to this day. You weren't cured, douchely friend. [i]You're in remission[/quote]
I think you've confused yourself with your choice source material. Here is something geared a little more towards the layman, and a little easier to understand.

http://www.hivcontrollers.org/hivcontrollers

This is what an elite controller is: Some HIV controllers are able to maintain levels of virus that are so low that they are termed "undetectable," these individuals have been described in the literature as elite controllers or elite suppressors.

I do not have a detectable viral load as per my last blood test. Sorry to Burst your bubble missy.

We did, and found you lacking in credibility.

for some yes, for others no. It is to the 'others' I speak. If your not an 'other' then know my efforts are not really meant for you to benefit from. I am just using your posts as an opportunity to speak (dare I say preach) without breaking the rules to those who do find my words creditable.

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I also want to add something drich. If your not willing to provide any evidence of your illness, then why do you pass it as evidence of god? Do you think people will take your word for such a claim. I would never expect people to just take my word for something like that.

Can I just argue the flipside on this one.

When arguments like this come up I have to ask myself the question - would I lie about something like this?

The answer is no.

I will not, therefore, assume that someone else would. To do this is to accept Christian thinking (everyone is basically a savage without Jesus).

I therefore accept Drich's claim that he had aids and further surmise that he is in remission.

Here's the thing: Remission is something medicine does not really understand (a bit like the placebo affect).

So we have Drich in remission and he thinks God did it.

Lets say you manage to persuade him otherwise. Then his aids returns and he dies - but you won the argument on the internet - right?

To me its not worth the victory, but that's just me.

I know this does not make us friends, but I do want to thank you for arguing the 'flip side.' This all happened mid 90s. HIV controllers (remission) tend to only last 7 to 10 years before their viral loads start to increase. Those who have been in remission for 10+ years are considered to be elites. I am not aware of elites re infecting without being exposed to secondary source creating what is called super-HIV. That is when an active strain re activates the dormant strain and together are more aggressive in the host than one would be on its own. Even testing elites with supposed aids vaccines have activated this super HIV. Which is why I will not be "helping out humanity" as missy put it.

For some reason when I think about it a hear "you shall not put your lord thy God to the test." Ring in my ears.

That said I do not want anyone to feel guilty if I do die of aids. Know your 'well wishing' had nothing to do with nothing. The Lord gives and The Lord takes away. Blessed be the name of The Lord.-Job.