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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
September 30, 2013 at 4:06 pm
(September 30, 2013 at 3:52 pm)max-greece Wrote: Mars, Milky Way, Galaxy....I see a pattern - God is trying to communicate to us through chocolate. He's trying to tell us of the enormity of space.
I can make 'em vanish into a black hole.
Then reappear from a brown one.
Hey, maybe I'm God?
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
September 30, 2013 at 4:14 pm
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(September 30, 2013 at 4:00 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: (September 30, 2013 at 6:44 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: It would be extremely hard to prove such an absolute negation.
I am certain it has already been stated, but just in case you have decided to further argue your illogical point I will reiterate:
If there is already no evidence to support the existence of something, it is reasonable to assume that it does not exist. Therefore, it would be further unreasonable to attempt to prove that it does not exist since there is already no proof of its existence.
Stating that atheists must prove that god does not exist is shifting the burden of proof. The burden of proof rests on the shoulders of those making the positive claim, which would be that god does exist, and therefore the burden of proof belongs to the theists who claim that god does exists when there is no evidence to support his existence.
It is simple logic. Those that claim an absolute negation of something have a burden of proof.
Those that claim the existence of something also have a burden of proof.
So I have not shifted the burden of proof to either side. I am just showing that both sides have a burden of proof.
Here is an example from mathematics.
Euler proposed that there were no trivial whole number solutions to the following equation.
a^4 + b^4 + c^4 = d^4
(I used the ^ to indicate raised to the power.)
Euler's assertion is an absolute negation. But he did not have a proof to show what he claimed.
In 1987, someone used a computer and found a solution.
95,800^4 + 217,519^4 + 414,560^4 = 422,481^4
That counter example proved the absolute negation false.
(September 30, 2013 at 4:00 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: (September 30, 2013 at 6:44 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: It would be extremely hard to prove such an absolute negation.
I am certain it has already been stated, but just in case you have decided to further argue your illogical point I will reiterate:
If there is already no evidence to support the existence of something, it is reasonable to assume that it does not exist. Therefore, it would be further unreasonable to attempt to prove that it does not exist since there is already no proof of its existence.
Stating that atheists must prove that god does not exist is shifting the burden of proof. The burden of proof rests on the shoulders of those making the positive claim, which would be that god does exist, and therefore the burden of proof belongs to the theists who claim that god does exists when there is no evidence to support his existence.
(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: I believe the Holy Bible is true.
It claims to be from God Almighty.
It proves itself in many ways.
That would be circular logic and in no way proof of god's existence. Stating that the bible is proof of god's existence is akin to stating that a marvel comic book is proof of Spider-Man's existence.
(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The Holy Bible is a record of historical events.
False, there is nothing remotely historically accurate in the bible.
Except you have not yet seen the proof.
That is another topic.
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
September 30, 2013 at 4:20 pm
(This post was last modified: September 30, 2013 at 4:22 pm by Kitan Etos.)
(September 30, 2013 at 4:14 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: It is simple logic. Those that claim an absolute negation of something have a burden of proof.
False.
(September 30, 2013 at 4:14 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Here is an example from mathematics.
Comparing the logic of mathematics to the logic of philosophy/religion is akin to comparing apples to oranges. It does not work.
(September 30, 2013 at 4:14 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Except you have not yet seen the proof.
I could delude myself into thinking there was proof, but that would be irrational. I prefer to live in reality rather than the comfortable fantasy world into which you have placed yourself along with other theists.
(September 30, 2013 at 2:59 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: In Revelation 12, Satan
Satan is no more real than god. Satan was invented for two express purposes. One of which was to scare people into believing in god. The second of which was to act as a scapegoat for man who could not accept personal responsibility for his wrongdoings.
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
September 30, 2013 at 4:23 pm
(September 30, 2013 at 4:14 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Some nonsense or other. How do you find the time to worship thousands of Gods?
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
September 30, 2013 at 4:29 pm
(September 30, 2013 at 4:14 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Except you have not yet seen the proof.
That is another topic. Forgive me if I remain skeptical of your claims of proof. Many others before you have claimed they could provide proof yet none have been able to provide said proof.
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
September 30, 2013 at 5:32 pm
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
September 30, 2013 at 5:43 pm
Ignorance can sound so stupid, can't it?
This guy is just spewing out faith garbage. He has obviously done no research nor does he provide any evidence to back himself up.
Maybe we should show him some of our evidence? Oh, wait, theists won't read anything written against their fath, nor will they believe any scripture we quote is wrong.
I say just ignore him.
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
September 30, 2013 at 6:13 pm
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
September 30, 2013 at 6:31 pm
(September 30, 2013 at 6:13 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: I do not believe in Santa. Oh no, because that would be ridiculous compared to an invisible sky daddy and his zombie son.
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
September 30, 2013 at 7:10 pm
Why is this yet another newbie theist this week claiming atheists have a burden of proof? Did Ray Comfort put out a new video or something?
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