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RE: The most important reason anyone is a atheist
November 13, 2013 at 7:27 am
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(November 11, 2013 at 12:25 pm)whateverist Wrote: Perhaps it is always harder to see ones own dogmas. Maybe you would like to impress us all by demonstrating your recognition of your own dogmas, enrico. From where I sit it is very easy to see what you are floating in and I have no wish to join you. Since ultimately our choices only needs to suit ourselves, I won't try to persuade you to leave the pool of dogma you've chosen fro yourself. Enjoy.
I never said that i am perfect.
In fact i said that i am only a white so called belt as far as intuitional science is concern.
This is a forum in which all question are asked so if you think that i float in the dogmas just tell me in which dogma i am floating so we can discuss the issue.
In the meantime i just demolish one of the main atheist dogma which is that life is finite.
You are the only one who did not agree with the rest so i think you got something to stand for but please don't be too reluctant and unwilling to continue your search for the truth. 
(November 10, 2013 at 4:09 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Intuitional Science.... is something that can't discern the tunneling effect.
It also can't understand relativistic time dilation.
As such, it is not a valid technique to ascertain reality.
The time and so many other phenomena come into existence as soon as the idea (creation) take place in God mind so your hypothesis can be true within the contest of the create universe not in the real reality.
Intuitional science relate to who you really are and because you strive to go back to that reality that you are God then you can not be affected by these phenomena.
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RE: The most important reason anyone is a atheist
November 13, 2013 at 10:34 am
(November 13, 2013 at 7:27 am)enrico Wrote: In the meantime i just demolish one of the main atheist dogma which is that life is finite.
I must have missed that part, can you link me to it?
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“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: The most important reason anyone is a atheist
November 13, 2013 at 10:51 am
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(November 13, 2013 at 7:27 am)enrico Wrote: (November 11, 2013 at 12:25 pm)whateverist Wrote: Perhaps it is always harder to see ones own dogmas. Maybe you would like to impress us all by demonstrating your recognition of your own dogmas, enrico. From where I sit it is very easy to see what you are floating in and I have no wish to join you. Since ultimately our choices only needs to suit ourselves, I won't try to persuade you to leave the pool of dogma you've chosen fro yourself. Enjoy.
I never said that i am perfect.
In fact i said that i am only a white so called belt as far as intuitional science is concern.
This is a forum in which all question are asked so if you think that i float in the dogmas just tell me in which dogma i am floating so we can discuss the issue.
In the meantime i just demolish one of the main atheist dogma which is that life is finite.
You are the only one who did not agree with the rest so i think you got something to stand for but please don't be too reluctant and unwilling to continue your search for the truth.
You give me too much credit. I merely acknowledged that no one knows what follows death. My best guess is physical decay and the cessation of the consciousness which my living brain had supported. Of course life and consciousness would go on, just not the part supported by my particular organism.
When you say you "demolished" the idea that life is finite what really are you claiming? I suppose you mean that according to your intuitional science life is not finite. I wonder if the other occult sciences would agree. Do you have any reason to hold the findings of intuitional science above those of astrology or alchemy?
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RE: The most important reason anyone is a atheist
November 14, 2013 at 8:15 am
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(November 13, 2013 at 10:51 am)whateverist Wrote: You give me too much credit. I merely acknowledged that no one knows what follows death.
If no one knows then how come that all the atheist guys in this forum were backing the one who said that life is finite?
Quote:My best guess is physical decay and the cessation of the consciousness which my living brain had supported. Of course life and consciousness would go on, just not the part supported by my particular organism.
In other words you say that when your old car end up in the wrecker yard you also end up there.
Very frighten indeed! 
Quote:When you say you "demolished" the idea that life is finite what really are you claiming? I suppose you mean that according to your intuitional science life is not finite. I wonder if the other occult sciences would agree. Do you have any reason to hold the findings of intuitional science above those of astrology or alchemy?
The more you practice intuitional science and the more you get aware how the system works beside thousand of NDE confirm that consciousness get disconnected from the body as it die. 
(November 13, 2013 at 10:34 am)Rationalman Wrote: (November 13, 2013 at 7:27 am)enrico Wrote: In the meantime i just demolish one of the main atheist dogma which is that life is finite.
I must have missed that part, can you link me to it?
Actually i am the one who miss something.
I mean i must have missed that part where you explain with evidence that life is finite.
Help me please.
In what page is that? 
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RE: The most important reason anyone is a atheist
November 14, 2013 at 8:46 am
(November 14, 2013 at 8:15 am)enrico Wrote: Quote:When you say you "demolished" the idea that life is finite what really are you claiming? I suppose you mean that according to your intuitional science life is not finite. I wonder if the other occult sciences would agree. Do you have any reason to hold the findings of intuitional science above those of astrology or alchemy?
The more you practice intuitional science and the more you get aware how the system works beside thousand of NDE confirm that consciousness get disconnected from the body as it die.
Anecdotal, it confirms nothing. You need to do better than that. Please explain to me how intuitional science differs from believing whatever feels nice.
Also, have you figured out what's in the box yet?
Quote:Actually i am the one who miss something.
Yup, you missed out the part where you back up your assertions.
Quote:I mean i must have missed that part where you explain with evidence that life is finite.
Help me please.
In what page is that?
All things die. Death is the termination of life.
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RE: The most important reason anyone is a atheist
November 14, 2013 at 8:58 am
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(November 14, 2013 at 8:46 am)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: All things die. Death is the termination of life.
Not when you can just make stuff up as you go along, much like Enrico does.
All your fantasies can come true, and the best thing is, you don't have to prove that what you're saying is right! You can just presume everyone else is wrong and continue off into your bizzare little fantasy world.
To Enrico:
What's in the box? You've steadfastly refused to answer that, which just makes you look more hilarious. Takes a guess.
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RE: The most important reason anyone is a atheist
November 14, 2013 at 9:33 am
(November 14, 2013 at 8:15 am)enrico Wrote: If no one knows then how come that all the atheist guys in this forum were backing the one who said that life is finite?
Because that is where all the evidence points to.
(November 14, 2013 at 8:15 am)enrico Wrote: Actually i am the one who miss something.
I mean i must have missed that part where you explain with evidence that life is finite.
Help me please.
In what page is that?
What is this...the third or fourth time I have had to explain this to you? The scientific consensus is that death is finite. I do not have to produce any evidence to you. Your idea goes against scientific consensus therefore you have to present evidence that life is infinite.
But nice try at a distraction. Now please show me where you demolished a pillar of atheism. Or are you just lying again?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: The most important reason anyone is a atheist
November 14, 2013 at 9:37 am
(November 14, 2013 at 8:58 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: What's in the box? You've steadfastly refused to answer that, which just makes you look more hilarious. Takes a guess.
You got a problem mate.
If you would have look properly in one of my previous posts you would have found my answer to that question.
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RE: The most important reason anyone is a atheist
November 14, 2013 at 9:44 am
I wouldn't use "scientific consensus" as the yardstick, because scientists have been wrong before and they will be wrong again. It's the nature of the beast.
The yardstick is that the best evidence that we do have for a continuation of consciousness after death is weak anecdotes and competing mythologies that offer no proof. Enrico is no different from any other person here who claims that our soul or consciousness live on without our physical body. If he ever provides some proof he would be. 'You guys don't get it' is neither evidence, nor proof, nor even an argument.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: The most important reason anyone is a atheist
November 14, 2013 at 9:58 am
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(November 14, 2013 at 9:33 am)Rationalman Wrote: (November 14, 2013 at 8:15 am)enrico Wrote: If no one knows then how come that all the atheist guys in this forum were backing the one who said that life is finite?
Because that is where all the evidence points to.
Show me this evidence boy but try to be quick, Christmas is getting closer by the day.
(November 14, 2013 at 8:15 am)enrico Wrote: Actually i am the one who miss something.
I mean i must have missed that part where you explain with evidence that life is finite.
Help me please.
In what page is that?
Quote:What is this...the third or fourth time I have had to explain this to you? The scientific consensus is that death is finite. I do not have to produce any evidence to you. Your idea goes against scientific consensus therefore you have to present evidence that life is infinite.
But nice try at a distraction. Now please show me where you demolished a pillar of atheism. Or are you just lying again?
Scientific consensus... 
You mean that the guys that are engaged in physical science managed to find what lie outside the corral in which they are stuck to?
Since when something non physical like consciousness can be study by physical science?
Can you see how foolish you are? 
You have become an embarrassment to most of the other atheist guys.
(November 14, 2013 at 9:44 am)Tonus Wrote: I wouldn't use "scientific consensus" as the yardstick, because scientists have been wrong before and they will be wrong again. It's the nature of the beast.
The yardstick is that the best evidence that we do have for a continuation of consciousness after death is weak anecdotes and competing mythologies that offer no proof. Enrico is no different from any other person here who claims that our soul or consciousness live on without our physical body. If he ever provides some proof he would be. 'You guys don't get it' is neither evidence, nor proof, nor even an argument.
Strange indeed.
You guys rely on physical science so if you follow this policy you would trust Abe Alexander after all he is a neurosurgeon.
But no.
So what policy are you following?
The cherry picking policy?
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