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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 28, 2013 at 6:50 am
(October 28, 2013 at 6:41 am)Lion IRC Wrote: Oh good. I'm glad you got my point!!!
And your point softens the egregious immorality of a god that could help with no effort, not helping... how? 
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 28, 2013 at 6:55 am
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(October 28, 2013 at 6:41 am)Lion IRC Wrote: (October 28, 2013 at 6:30 am)Zen Badger Wrote: ...Btw dickwad, I'm not equating lost keys with a stolen child.
Oh good. I'm glad you got my point!!!
You're still avoiding the question....
I'm guessing for the simple reason that there is no way you can answer that question in a way that will make your god look good.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 28, 2013 at 8:31 am
(October 28, 2013 at 5:50 am)Zen Badger Wrote: A question for the Christians here.
We often see Christians thanking god for helping them find their missing keys or a parking spot etc,etc..... Who do you hang out with? I'm a Christian and I rarely if ever see that.
Quote:Why doesn't god help people find missing children like Madeline Mckarn?
Surely it wouldn't be that hard?
A nudge here, a whisper there.
Afterall you claim that god speaks to you all the time, telling you something that would be useful for a change would be fucking nice.
I don't recall claiming that god speaks to me all the time.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 28, 2013 at 8:32 am
(October 28, 2013 at 8:31 am)John V Wrote: I don't recall claiming that god speaks to me all the time.
Are you every christian that exists? If not, why even bother responding to this, if it doesn't apply to you specifically?
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 28, 2013 at 8:39 am
(October 28, 2013 at 8:32 am)Esquilax Wrote: Are you every christian that exists? If not, why even bother responding to this, if it doesn't apply to you specifically? Read between the lines. I'm suggesting that the argument is largely a straw man. I'm sure that out of two billion people you can find some that fit the argument, but it hasn't been shown to be typical.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 28, 2013 at 9:23 am
(October 28, 2013 at 8:39 am)John V Wrote: (October 28, 2013 at 8:32 am)Esquilax Wrote: Are you every christian that exists? If not, why even bother responding to this, if it doesn't apply to you specifically? Read between the lines. I'm suggesting that the argument is largely a straw man. I'm sure that out of two billion people you can find some that fit the argument, but it hasn't been shown to be typical. Why is it so hard for Christians to answer this question?
It's quite simple....
Why won't god help find missing children?
Instead you go off on all sorts of tangents.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 28, 2013 at 9:26 am
(October 28, 2013 at 8:39 am)John V Wrote: Read between the lines. I'm suggesting that the argument is largely a straw man. I'm sure that out of two billion people you can find some that fit the argument, but it hasn't been shown to be typical.
Hasn't been shown to be typical? So far, all you've done is state that it doesn't happen to you. A sample size of one isn't an indicator.
Fact is, there are a number of christians, even ones here, who claim to commune with god, or to receive, in one way or another, answers to prayers, and general guidance. They've clearly got some magic communications channel that we benighted atheists don't.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 28, 2013 at 9:57 am
(October 28, 2013 at 6:15 am)Lion IRC Wrote: If someone is as careless with their child as they are with their car keys is it God's fault the child is missing?
Is it the child's fault? Is god unwilling to help an innocent child because of the negligence of her parents?
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 28, 2013 at 10:29 am
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(October 28, 2013 at 9:23 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Why is it so hard for Christians to answer this question?
It's quite simple.... The answer is quite simple, too...because God doesn't tell us everything.
Quote:Why won't god help find missing children?
Instead you go off on all sorts of tangents.
It's quite applicable to expose a straw man.
If I knew a Christian who claimed that God gave precise answers to all his questions, I'd also ask his to ask God about missing children. But I don't know any Christians making that claim.
(October 28, 2013 at 9:26 am)Esquilax Wrote: Hasn't been shown to be typical? So far, all you've done is state that it doesn't happen to you. A sample size of one isn't an indicator. Nice try to shift the burden of proof.
Quote:Fact is, there are a number of christians, even ones here, who claim to commune with god, or to receive, in one way or another, answers to prayers, and general guidance. They've clearly got some magic communications channel that we benighted atheists don't.
Addresses of missing children isn't "general guidance." You're admitting the straw man. If there are Christians here who claim God audibly tells them where their car keys are, I'll join you in asking them why they get answers on trivial questions, but don't get or don't ask about things such as missing children.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 28, 2013 at 11:23 am
(October 28, 2013 at 10:29 am)John V Wrote: Addresses of missing children isn't "general guidance." You're admitting the straw man. If there are Christians here who claim God audibly tells them where their car keys are, I'll join you in asking them why they get answers on trivial questions, but don't get or don't ask about things such as missing children.
I don't know about helping to find keys but I see a lot of professional footballers do the cross sign thing before a game. Are they not asking god to help their team win? And if they do win, do they attribute this to god?
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