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I see no way this could ever backfire!
#11
RE: I see no way this could ever backfire!
If i needed to wipe my ass, I'd praise god for the bible - its pages are soft.
If I needed fuel for a fire, Id praise god for the bible - its lies burn hot.
If I needed truth to believe, I'd praise god for nothing - he's beyond belief.
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#12
RE: I see no way this could ever backfire!
(November 12, 2013 at 2:07 am)Esquilax Wrote:
(November 12, 2013 at 2:03 am)Drich Wrote: .....So your 'thoughts' are to force North Koreans obedience in their state mandated worship of their 'great leader' as God? To not allow them the material needed to question the authority nor the deity of Kim li sung , or his progeny?

Wow... I can tell you and your peers really thought this one out.

Yes, because if I don't want one thing to happen, I must logically want the exact opposite to happen!

Oh wait no because that's really fucking stupid.

If you were capable of nuance, you'd understand my actual position, which is that this bible drop is nothing more than self aggrandizing piety porn on the part of the christians involved, and that rather than actually having an effect on a dictatorship that we all agree should be disassembled, it actually poses a direct threat to the people likely to receive these bibles.

Do you read posts before you disagree with them, or does your nonbeliever antenna just come up when you look at the religious beliefs of the poster, and decide for you?


Lol! You owe me the snootful of wine that I just sneezed out on my screen.
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#13
RE: I see no way this could ever backfire!
(November 12, 2013 at 2:03 am)Drich Wrote:
(November 12, 2013 at 12:29 am)Esquilax Wrote: So a Christian group just air dropped thousands of bibles into North Korea.

Leaving aside, as the article notes, the fact that the people of North Korea would probably be more in need of food than bullshit, let's also consider what's actually happened, here:

A group of christians, under the guise of helping people, just dropped a load of what's considered subversive material into a tightly controlled, secretive and violent country, with the aim of getting it read by the populace. What, exactly, does this group think is going to happen to those who are caught in possession of a bible? Or worse, who has actually converted?

Even if this plan works as intended, it's only going to end up harmful!

.....So your 'thoughts' are to force North Koreans obedience in their state mandated worship of their 'great leader' as God? To not allow them the material needed to question the authority nor the deity of Kim li sung , or his progeny?

Wow... I can tell you and your peers really thought this one out.

No, my thoughts would be to help the people of North Korea with what they actually need: food, medical supplies and other assistance. Not replacing a quasi-religion with another religion.

And these people aren't thinking of the consequences of their actions: people found with bibles are going to be executed by the authorities.

I'm reminded of the Christian groups who turned up in Haiti after the earthquake, all smiles and full bellies, with bibles to hand out to the starving, homeless, traumatised survivors and somehow thought they were doing those people a favour.

Help them with material support first. You can try to convert them later if they're willing.

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"You did WHAT?  With WHO?  WHERE???"
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#14
RE: I see no way this could ever backfire!
Come to think of it, a bible's pretty heavy on its own, least of all in boxes falling from the sky. I wouldn't want to be right below a balloon with a (randomly timed!) dropping mechanism for those things.

Hey, do you guys think that North Korean construction standards are high enough that a sudden heavy impact on the roof of a poor citizen's dwelling would go unnoticed? 'Cause I sure as fuck don't!

But you're right, Drich: this was clearly a well thought out act of political dissidence made to free the North Korean people from the tyranny of their leader, and not at all a ham handed derpfest from a bunch of people who just wanted to stroke their jesus boners a little more publically. Dodgy
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#15
RE: I see no way this could ever backfire!
(November 12, 2013 at 12:57 am)FallentoReason Wrote: In the eyes of the Christian, those that convert and are potentially killed have been eternally freed, and arguably are the luckiest ones.

Yup. Nothing stupider than a fucking xtian.
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#16
RE: I see no way this could ever backfire!
(November 12, 2013 at 2:30 am)Minimalist Wrote:
(November 12, 2013 at 12:57 am)FallentoReason Wrote: In the eyes of the Christian, those that convert and are potentially killed have been eternally freed, and arguably are the luckiest ones.

Yup. Nothing stupider than a fucking xtian.
Opportunist Disappointed
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#17
RE: I see no way this could ever backfire!
(November 12, 2013 at 2:03 am)Drich Wrote:
(November 12, 2013 at 12:29 am)Esquilax Wrote: So a Christian group just air dropped thousands of bibles into North Korea.

Leaving aside, as the article notes, the fact that the people of North Korea would probably be more in need of food than bullshit, let's also consider what's actually happened, here:

A group of christians, under the guise of helping people, just dropped a load of what's considered subversive material into a tightly controlled, secretive and violent country, with the aim of getting it read by the populace. What, exactly, does this group think is going to happen to those who are caught in possession of a bible? Or worse, who has actually converted?

Even if this plan works as intended, it's only going to end up harmful!

.....So your 'thoughts' are to force North Koreans obedience in their state mandated worship of their 'great leader' as God? To not allow them the material needed to question the authority nor the deity of Kim li sung , or his progeny?

Wow... I can tell you and your peers really thought this one out.

Yes Drich - that will show them. Why have your own real Dictator when you can overthrow him and take our imaginary one?
Kuusi palaa, ja on viimeinen kerta kun annan vaimoni laittaa jouluvalot!
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#18
RE: I see no way this could ever backfire!
(November 12, 2013 at 2:03 am)Drich Wrote:
(November 12, 2013 at 12:29 am)Esquilax Wrote: So a Christian group just air dropped thousands of bibles into North Korea.

Leaving aside, as the article notes, the fact that the people of North Korea would probably be more in need of food than bullshit, let's also consider what's actually happened, here:

A group of christians, under the guise of helping people, just dropped a load of what's considered subversive material into a tightly controlled, secretive and violent country, with the aim of getting it read by the populace. What, exactly, does this group think is going to happen to those who are caught in possession of a bible? Or worse, who has actually converted?

Even if this plan works as intended, it's only going to end up harmful!

.....So your 'thoughts' are to force North Koreans obedience in their state mandated worship of their 'great leader' as God? To not allow them the material needed to question the authority nor the deity of Kim li sung , or his progeny?

Wow... I can tell you and your peers really thought this one out.
Ifs thats what they actually wanted then there are much better texts they could dropped, like Rousseau's the social contract or Plato's republic or john Locke's Two Treatises of Government. In fact not only is it piety porn as esquilax stated, but it could also be pretext for a war. if they interpret this a American affront to Kim Jung un's power this could give him the war north Korea has been hungry for.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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#19
RE: I see no way this could ever backfire!


Drich

"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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#20
RE: I see no way this could ever backfire!
(November 12, 2013 at 2:28 am)Esquilax Wrote: Come to think of it, a bible's pretty heavy on its own, least of all in boxes falling from the sky. I wouldn't want to be right below a balloon with a (randomly timed!) dropping mechanism for those things.

Hey, do you guys think that North Korean construction standards are high enough that a sudden heavy impact on the roof of a poor citizen's dwelling would go unnoticed? 'Cause I sure as fuck don't!

But you're right, Drich: this was clearly a well thought out act of political dissidence made to free the North Korean people from the tyranny of their leader, and not at all a ham handed derpfest from a bunch of people who just wanted to stroke their jesus boners a little more publically. Dodgy

Hey I though poorly thought out attempts to co opt desperate into a cult was christian signature. To bad people are gonne bleed for this one.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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