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RE: Atheist/Islamophobic convert to Islam
December 7, 2013 at 12:23 pm
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(December 7, 2013 at 12:14 pm)Psykhronic Wrote: There's a shitton of Koran translations. You think us in the west are gonna read that shit in arabic? At barnes n nobles last time I went, there were about four or five different english translations for the Koran. Not to mention, even if you read the Koran in arabic, you still have to take into account the changes that arabic itself went through, like all languages.
Yes you will read , if you're interested .
There are no five or four different translations . Differences are in just some verses . For example beating women verse , or cutting hands verse .
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RE: Atheist/Islamophobic convert to Islam
December 7, 2013 at 12:26 pm
I am interesting in reading the Koran, but I got it in English, which there are MORE than five or four translations of. Again, people will read a translation whether you like it or not.
And those are some pretty bold verses, any difference between newer and older arabic could be catastrophic.
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RE: Atheist/Islamophobic convert to Islam
December 7, 2013 at 12:32 pm
(December 7, 2013 at 12:26 pm)Psykhronic Wrote: I am interesting in reading the Koran, but I got it in English, which there are MORE than five or four translations of. Again, people will read a translation whether you like it or not.
And those are some pretty bold verses, any difference between newer and older arabic could be catastrophic.
I think , a person with brain could decide it to read according to older Arabic .
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RE: Atheist/Islamophobic convert to Islam
December 7, 2013 at 12:34 pm
The problem is figuring out what words mean in older arabic, and the hard part is - NOBODY speaks older arabic anymore. So scholars have to piece together what the Koran is actually saying based on what they can find of old arabic. So if our understanding of old arabic is limited, which it is, then you may not be understanding the original meaning at all.
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RE: Atheist/Islamophobic convert to Islam
December 7, 2013 at 12:47 pm
(December 7, 2013 at 12:34 pm)Psykhronic Wrote: The problem is figuring out what words mean in older arabic, and the hard part is - NOBODY speaks older arabic anymore. So scholars have to piece together what the Koran is actually saying based on what they can find of old arabic. So if our understanding of old arabic is limited, which it is, then you may not be understanding the original meaning at all.
I'm not sure if you speak imaginary or based on evidences . Arabic is the same as the first day , but usage of some words has changed . For example the word which is translated as "head cover" in verse 24:31 actually means "cover" , not "head cover" . Islamic scholars translate it according to their views .
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RE: Atheist/Islamophobic convert to Islam
December 7, 2013 at 12:47 pm
(December 7, 2013 at 12:32 pm)Nineteen Wrote: (December 7, 2013 at 12:26 pm)Psykhronic Wrote: I am interesting in reading the Koran, but I got it in English, which there are MORE than five or four translations of. Again, people will read a translation whether you like it or not.
And those are some pretty bold verses, any difference between newer and older arabic could be catastrophic.
I think , a person with brain could decide it to read according to older Arabic .
You do realize that the Koran was written down decades after the alleged events, pieced together from many people's memories.
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RE: Atheist/Islamophobic convert to Islam
December 7, 2013 at 12:50 pm
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(December 7, 2013 at 12:47 pm)Chas Wrote: You do realize that the Koran was written down decades after the alleged events, pieced together from many people's memories.
Quran was written at the same time with arriving by Allah .
But you can say these for Bible , its written after years of Jesus and they have 4 different books and different fairy tales .
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RE: Atheist/Islamophobic convert to Islam
December 7, 2013 at 12:51 pm
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It wouldn't matter how the contents of it read, since we already know about the dubious authorship of this book, which essentially renders the act of reading it pointless. If it contained some sort of mind boggling predictions, say some really accurate nods towards the internet or the name of a street in Vancouver then i'd be impressed. Funnily enough the book talks about a load of mundane desert tribe stuff. It wouldn't matter if I studied arabic for two decades, no matter how I try to poetically interpret the ramblings it doesn't change the fact that we can be objectively certain about the origins of this book; that it is some clumsily cobbled together hearsay from a self-appointed prophet. It contains no more truth than some dribble I could scribble down in 5 minutes on a piece of scrap paper. The poetic majesty of the writings could be awe inspiring and deeply moving, but it still proves nothing. It reads exactly as we'd expect some tribal guff to read, anticipating nothing of the future nature of human society and making zero accurate predictions with regards to momentus future events. If this is all god could manage to say to us in his last visit to the planet then he totally blew his opportunity to convince us. All I can say is that the english translation that I own is about as convincing and inspiring as a comatose banana.
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RE: Atheist/Islamophobic convert to Islam
December 7, 2013 at 12:55 pm
(December 7, 2013 at 12:47 pm)Nineteen Wrote: (December 7, 2013 at 12:34 pm)Psykhronic Wrote: The problem is figuring out what words mean in older arabic, and the hard part is - NOBODY speaks older arabic anymore. So scholars have to piece together what the Koran is actually saying based on what they can find of old arabic. So if our understanding of old arabic is limited, which it is, then you may not be understanding the original meaning at all.
I'm not sure if you speak imaginary or based on evidences . Arabic is the same as the first day , but usage of some words has changed . For example the word which is translated as "head cover" in verse 24:31 actually means "cover" , not "head cover" . Islamic scholars translate it according to their views .
...Yeah, so Islamic scholars translate it, so you are getting different translations. And linguistically, it's so very unlikely that arabic would stay the same since day one. My evidence is the entire field of linguistics, have fun taking that apart.
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RE: Atheist/Islamophobic convert to Islam
December 7, 2013 at 1:01 pm
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(December 7, 2013 at 12:10 pm)Nineteen Wrote: (December 6, 2013 at 10:40 pm)paulpablo Wrote: He didn't convert to being a christian because they're were too many interpretations of the bible, you see the exact same thing in the quran.
This is not the same thing . Quran is only one and its written in Arabic . Not changed and two Quran at different ends of the world are the same . But people translate the some words with multiple meanings according to their intrests .
I cant say the same thing for bible . Its "original words" constantly being changed , not its translations .
You aren't honestly going to go through the "Arabic Koran is only Koran" routine again? You have no idea how many ties I have heard this one, & it is bullshit. Catholics used to say the same thing about the latin bible. All it is a trick to make it harder for people to claim to have read the Koran. You desert book can't stand up to logic, so instead you try to make it as inaccessible as possible.
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