Unfortunately the atheists will have to kill themselves to prove the point

[TaraJo]

Unfortunately the Christian will have to do something other than quote Dostoesvky if he wants to be listened to.

Hey, DOS, ol' buddy, I got a question: if you're so certain that paradise is waiting for you after you die, why aren't you highly suicidal? I mean, I'd be eager to go to that paradise if that's what I believed.

Does intellectual suicide count?

He seems to be way ahead of us on that one.

[DOS]

Where did I say the paradise is waiting for me after I die? I never said this.

[Esquilax]

Where did I say the paradise is waiting for me after I die? I never said this.

For a guy who has no trouble speaking for atheists, I find it interesting you'd get arch when one speaks for you.

[Mister Agenda]

And what point would atheist suicide prove?
I think about suicide all the time but it's not to prove some sort of point lol.

Manifest your self will, as long as you don't kill yourself it remains the will of God and from His will you cannot escape.

True, if an omniscient creator God exists, there's no such thing as free will.

[max-greece]

I too have made several attempts on my own life, for deeply personal reasons none of which have to do with atheism. The attempts have ranged from alcohol assisted overdose to slitting my wrists with broken glass and all of them were deadly serious, not cries for help or any such thing. It could be argued that if I were truly serious then I would have succeeded, but that doesn't take into account quite how surprisingly difficult it is to make a person die. My excuses, if that's what zero-minded twats wish to call them, mainly centre around consideration for whoever finds my body; I wouldn't want 'my' day to poison, say, xmas or a person's birthday. Neither am I going to promise that I'm never going to try again.

However, I am reminded of a piece of advice I was given by a good friend on another forum, who supported my right to exit the game without actually endorsing it: never follow any advice that doesn't feel right - including this.

Hope I haven't hurt or shocked anyone too much.

You know - if you do ever go ahead with this I will never speak to you again!

Consider yourself warned.

Seriously though, don't. Better to get off your fat arse and go and find something (or someone) new to do.

[Mister Agenda]

The atheist will find 100 excuses not to kill himself. The brave atheist would kill himself right away in order to manifest his selfwill on the most vital point (life/death) and that his will it's all his otherwise the atheist, the learned dullard, doesn't control or govern his life despite of his beliefs.

Basing your ideas of what real atheists are like on an author's fictional characters, no matter how good the author is, is inane.

Someone who kills themselves to prove a point is a moron. Someone who thinks other people should kill themselves to prove a point is a malicious idiot.

[Cyberman]

You know - if you do ever go ahead with this I will never speak to you again!

Consider yourself warned.

Well, see if I care! In fact, see if I ever post here again!

Seriously though, don't. Better to get off your fat arse and go and find something (or someone) new to do.

I get what you're saying, I genuinely do. I wish I was wired that way, it would be so much easier. I just want what I'm not going to express in this thread but those who know me and my situation will have filled in the blank anyway.

[Faith No More]

I too have made several attempts on my own life, for deeply personal reasons none of which have to do with atheism. The attempts have ranged from alcohol assisted overdose to slitting my wrists with broken glass and all of them were deadly serious, not cries for help or any such thing. It could be argued that if I were truly serious then I would have succeeded, but that doesn't take into account quite how surprisingly difficult it is to make a person die. My excuses, if that's what zero-minded twats wish to call them, mainly centre around consideration for whoever finds my body; I wouldn't want 'my' day to poison, say, xmas or a person's birthday. Neither am I going to promise that I'm never going to try again.

However, I am reminded of a piece of advice I was given by a good friend on another forum, who supported my right to exit the game without actually endorsing it: never follow any advice that doesn't feel right - including this.

Hope I haven't hurt or shocked anyone too much.

As someone that has discovered a friend's body after his suicide, I can tell you that it is life-altering and deeply emotionally scarring. That day has been burned into my mind, and the images of his fresh corpse still haunt me eleven years later. Just saving someone from having to experience that is reason enough not to take your own life.

Of course, I harbor no ill will towards my friend, seeing how I had tried to end my own life two year previously. I understand and sympathize with his plight and realize that is an act of desperation, not selfishness. I have accepted his death and the choice he made, but that has done very little to soften the blow of the trauma I experienced.

My inital reaction when hearing someone using suicide as a tool to make a religious point is blinding rage, but once that wears off, I just feel disgust and pity. To think that someone is so callous and sheltered to have lived a life where they think this is a subject that is proper to use to make a religious point saddens me, but after my experience with my mental issues, I have come to expect nothing less from the human race. I would wish that people that speak so callously about such issues would experience it for themselves in order to gain some perspective, but I cannot in good conscience wish such suffering even on my worst enemy. Instead, I only wish people could show a little more compassion towrds the subject.

[Jackalope]

As someone that has discovered a friend's body after his suicide, I can tell you that it is life-altering and deeply emotionally scarring. That day has been burned into my mind, and the images of his fresh corpse still haunt me eleven years later. Just saving someone from having to experience that is reason enough not to take your own life.

Of course, I harbor no ill will towards my friend, seeing how I had tried to end my own life two year previously. I understand and sympathize with his plight and realize that is an act of desperation, not selfishness. I have accepted his death and the choice he made, but that has done very little to soften the blow of the trauma I experienced.

My inital reaction when hearing someone using suicide as a tool to make a religious is blinding rage, but once that wears off, I just feel disgust and pity. To think that someone is so callous and sheltered to have lived a life where they think this is a subject that is proper to use to make a religious point saddens me, but after my experience with my mental issues, I have come to expect nothing less from the human race. I would wish that people that speak so callously about such issues would experience it for themselves in order to gain some perspective, but I cannot in good conscience wish such suffering even on my worst enemy. Instead, I only wish people could show a little more compassion towrds the subject.

Indeed. The sooner this thoroughly vile thread dies, the better. The OP ought to be ashamed for using this topic to score points - though I suspect he has no shame.

[Brian37]

Where did I say the paradise is waiting for me after I die? I never said this.

Tonight on the "Religious Bullshit Network" or RBN our intrepid "Good News" anchor will follow up this story with a dodge, "crap at 11" followed by "Touched By An Angel"

And now a message from Christian Mingle.

"To dense to date people who accept evolution? Would you like to date someone who loves stories about talking snakes and talking bushes? Find God's match for you, because reality isn't your bag"

Ok, wow everyone here with your "knowledge" of what happens after we die. Be sure to include self serving circular bible quotes.