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Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
RE: Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
What eyewitness testimony for mount Olympus?
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RE: Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
(December 24, 2013 at 5:06 am)savedwheat Wrote: All naturalistic explanations have been exhausted so no ignorance.

Now you're lying as well as utilising an argument from ignorance.

Your baseless assertions are beginning to wear thin on our patience.

(December 24, 2013 at 6:23 am)savedwheat Wrote: What eyewitness testimony for mount Olympus?

It's a real place:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Olympus

The mythology is regarding the gods that supposedly lived on/above it, not the geography.
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RE: Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
I can confirm what Fidel says. Been there - seen it - bought the T-shirt.

Also been to Delphi where the Oracle used to hang out. Now there was a bitch that knew some stuff. Much more credible than anything you've come up with thus far.
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RE: Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
(December 24, 2013 at 4:05 am)savedwheat Wrote: Because I can't find a naturalistic explanation to account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles.

Others have ably dealt with the bulk of the idiocy on display in that sentence. I'll simply add that you are making a hell of an assumption that the gospels are in any way reliable eyewitness testimonies of the apostles. I call bullshit. These were documents written decades after the fact by people who were not eyewitnesses, who relied on uncertain oral testimony passed from person to person to person (don't tell me you're the only one who never played the telephone game), and who freely adapted earlier written accounts for their own purposes (see Matthew's and Luke's use of Mark).

This was an ignorant and credulous age, when stories as equally preposterous as the Christian founding myth freely circulated and were believed by many. That you, living in the 21st century, display the same craven tendencies as the hysterics of ancient religious cults should be nothing but a source of shame.

But judging from your trail of droppings so far, I'd say that you don't really have a problem with shame, do you?
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RE: Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
Quote:What eyewitness testimony for mount Olympus?

You cannot be this stunningly ignorant. There are literally thousands of eyewitness testimonies for the Olympian gods. Both Diomedes and Odysseus saw Athena, Anchesis saw Aphrodite, Lycurgus was punished (in person, so to speak) by Dionysus, Celeus met Demeter, more people met Heracles (who was half-god, but still...) than you can shake an ecclesiastical stick at.

ALL religions are replete with eyewitness testimonies of mortals interacting with the divine, and they all have about as much historical reliability as the gospel authors and Jesus, i.e., none to speak of.

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RE: Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
(December 24, 2013 at 2:44 am)savedwheat Wrote: There can only be one.

"You're doing it wrong."
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"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

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RE: Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
(December 24, 2013 at 4:05 am)savedwheat Wrote: Because I can't find a naturalistic explanation to account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles.
So, any holy book that claims to have eyewitness testimony by its writers, with no natural explanation for the events described, has to be believed?
Hmmm, you have a lot of reading ahead of you.

(December 24, 2013 at 7:37 am)Tonus Wrote:
(December 24, 2013 at 2:44 am)savedwheat Wrote: There can only be one.

"You're doing it wrong."
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It needs to be pronounced like, Juan.
"There can only be Juan."
That's getting closer.
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RE: Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
(December 24, 2013 at 4:05 am)savedwheat Wrote: Because I can't find a naturalistic explanation to account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles.

That is just silly as others have pointed out.

You are confused about the nature of evidence and of proof.

The reasons you believe are not evidence or proof to anyone else; they are just your feelings. You are welcome to base your belief on ignorance, but don't expect anyone else to do so.
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RE: Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
(December 24, 2013 at 4:05 am)savedwheat Wrote: Because I can't find a naturalistic explanation to account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles.


What evidence do you have for these 'apostles' you speak of being of sound mind? Can you be sure they don't have any reason to lie? Eye witness accounts are weak at best. Eye witness accounts from people you know nothing about and can't cross examine are worthless. The beliefs of others can never provide you with certain knowledge.

Of course if all you are looking for is some corroboration for what you already believe, that may be enough. But why offer up such weak shit here where no one will be impressed?
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RE: Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
(December 24, 2013 at 4:13 am)là bạn điên Wrote:
(December 24, 2013 at 4:05 am)savedwheat Wrote: Because I can't find a naturalistic explanation to account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles.

1) They are Misquoted

2) They are lying

3) They forgot


4) the Gospel writers were not eyewitnesses, and the writings associated with them is legend.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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