What do you hate about religion?

[Mudhammam]

Which I might add, is exactly the problem when two people use the term "good." They often define it in two different and contradictory ways. Unlike numbers, good does not represent the same "essence" to each person.

Yes and to me either one of them or both are objectively wrong.

I see.

[tor]

Yes and to me either one of them or both are objectively wrong.

I see.

To me pi=3.14159265358979... and it is true. What's your point?

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Give us the link

Sorry, I don't want the pollution on that forum.

I hope you're also showing them the posts where you reveal yourself to be supportive of child murder.

[xr34p3rx]

Most people don't rally against religion for no reason. Say what is that about religion that you specifically dislike.
I go first.

A belief that god can prevent evil but chooses not to and is still a good god(pisses me off).
Sexual oppression of the mind(saying that healthy things are wrong which causes people to be ashamed of themselves and their thoughts for no good reason and also can cause mental illness).
Hell threats(as if I deserve it more than them).
Thanking god for good things I do and good things I get(tired of hearing this shit).
Also I'm tired of religious people looking at me as an abomination when I say I don't believe in a god. Go fuck yourself seriously.
Also I am tired of people who think religion is a solution for everything and if I have any sort of problem it's because of my atheism.
Also I'm fucking tired of religion constantly popping up in movies and music.
Also tired of the idea that only meaning that is possible is by believing in gods plan or whatever(how did they come up with this shit?).

But what I hate most is theodicy. Religion poisons minds so much that they will defend everything god does as just. Diseases, disasters, evils you name it. And then want me to respect their religion. Can't wait for this taboo to collapse and religion to die. Hope it will happen in my lifetime so I can see it myself.

what really gets to me is when a theist claims to your face that you do believe in god, like bitch! you dont know what i believe! you have NO room to talk!

[Bad Writer]

Sorry, I don't want the pollution on that forum.

I hope you're also showing them the posts where you reveal yourself to be supportive of child murder.

I've been thinking of making an account there and posting a link to the actual unadulterated conversation. Then they'll have evidence, something psycho always forgets to provide when presenting a testimony.

[Phatt Matt s]

I dont like superficiality
Or u r going to hell cuz u dont believe x y or z
I do think people r different than apes however and religion can be a good thing to motivate ppl like mother teresa or stop people from hurting others

[Fromper]

So you have 2 reasons so far.
1) Good feels.
2) Fear of punishment.

Both reasons suck in my opinion.
The pascals wager is addressed here
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?t...%27s_Wager

As for good feels you get em out of someone you fear in the same time. That's some sadomasochistic shit you got there.
Besides sounds like hellish struggles is a heavy price for good feels.

Oh trust me, I go to a Christian College. I definitely know about the Pascal Wager, which may make sense to some but I honestly skimmed over that in my required reading. Not very interesting or practical stuff.

And you're right good feels is way you can put it. It's a bad reason for anyone else. Fear of punishment, right again. I admit to that. Normally I could care less about punishment, but this is my destiny I'm playing around with, and I'd rather not play cocky. Maybe you can understand where I'm coming from.

And to me, a hellish struggle seems like a fair price to pay in pursuit of truth of any kind.

(Again, this is just my personal beliefs. I tend to say that a lot, but I just don't want to be mistaken for a bible-belting Christian)

As I mentioned much earlier in this thread, my own biggest complaint about religions in general is that they give people an excuse to give in to the worst parts of human nature. Those who think religion has all the answers often use that arrogant belief as an excuse for inexcusable cruelty to those outside their narrow world view.

While I disagree with your religious beliefs, I can respect your overall attitude about it. The fact that you see religion more as a framework for seeking truth and exploring the world than as an absolute set of answers is a good thing.

[Mudhammam]

I see.

To me pi=3.14159265358979... and it is true. What's your point?

And you can prove that is true in the same way that you can prove the statement that "lying is wrong" is true?

Didn't think so.

If you believe in objective morality you might as well say you believe in the Christian God. Neither is rational.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I hope you're also showing them the posts where you reveal yourself to be supportive of child murder.

I've been thinking of making an account there and posting a link to the actual unadulterated conversation. Then they'll have evidence, something psycho always forgets to provide when presenting a testimony.

Try not to hold it against him. He lost his brain a long time ago and has been searching for it ever since.

[Tonus]

Too late
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/gen...gance.html

I've gotta say, they seem to be a very reasonable bunch over there. At the least they seem wary of jumping to conclusions.