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RE: Creationist Senators block fossil bill
April 2, 2014 at 3:35 am
(April 1, 2014 at 5:38 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (April 1, 2014 at 3:48 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: She refuses to engage on this, and many topics. Firstly, I'm a dude
I don't care.
(April 1, 2014 at 5:38 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Secondly, there was nothing to engage, Esquilax posted.
I'm sure Esquilax posted some really nice points and raised quite a few issues. You however stil haven't confronted any of the points you so spectacularly missed regarding parody and what atheism actually is (no, not a religion like you keep regurgitating from your favourite apologist website, but rather a lack of belief in a deity or deities).
So, going to humour us pumpkin? Or are you going to take us on a non-stop tour of 'make a point, Dodge all replies, and then trollolololol'?
You also didn't answer whether English was your first language. I'm going to assume it isn't as you said you understood what a fallacy of composition was and then proceeded to post another fallacy of composition in support of your erroneous 'argument' (if one could call it that).
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RE: Creationist Senators block fossil bill
April 2, 2014 at 11:31 am
(April 2, 2014 at 3:35 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: I'm sure Esquilax posted some really nice points and raised quite a few issues. You however stil haven't confronted any of the points you so spectacularly missed regarding parody and what atheism actually is (no, not a religion like you keep regurgitating from your favourite apologist website, but rather a lack of belief in a deity or deities).
So, going to humour us pumpkin? Or are you going to take us on a non-stop tour of 'make a point, Dodge all replies, and then trollolololol'?
You also didn't answer whether English was your first language. I'm going to assume it isn't as you said you understood what a fallacy of composition was and then proceeded to post another fallacy of composition in support of your erroneous 'argument' (if one could call it that).
are you sure you even know what "fallacy of composition" even means? I clearly showed you that atheists can be religious.
Want more evidence?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WexKRzPqKs#t=74
Atheist 'Megachurches' Crop Up around the World
Atheist Church 'Sunday Assembly' Is First Of Its Kind In Britain
Sunday Assembly 'Atheist Church' Provokes Criticism
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RE: Creationist Senators block fossil bill
April 2, 2014 at 11:51 am
(This post was last modified: April 2, 2014 at 11:53 am by Mister Agenda.)
Huggy, atheists CAN be religious. Many Unitarians are atheists, for instance. However, I didn't see anyone claiming that atheist's CAN'T be religious, so I'm not sure what you're trying to refute. In any case, you'd have to establish that atheist 'megachurches' (which are niether 'mega' or 'churches') are religions if you want to use those particular examples. There are certainly definitions for 'religion' that Sunday Assemblies don't match.
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RE: Creationist Senators block fossil bill
April 2, 2014 at 11:58 am
As MA says above, cite where anyone is saying that atheists can't be religious?
I thought you made the claim that atheism is a 'religion'.
I know that reading back through your own posts must be a pain but do try to keep up with what you're claiming, it helps to expedite the debate (though I wouldn't call this a debate).
I fully expect a retort of "LULz! How can an atheist be religious and atheism not be a religion".
I hope i am surprised.
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RE: Creationist Senators block fossil bill
April 2, 2014 at 12:03 pm
(April 2, 2014 at 11:58 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: As MA says above, cite where anyone is saying that atheists can't be religious?
I thought you made the claim that atheism is a 'religion'.
I know that reading back through your own posts must be a pain but do try to keep up with what you're claiming, it helps to expedite the debate (though I wouldn't call this a debate).
I fully expect a retort of "LULz! How can an atheist be religious and atheism not be a religion".
I hope i am surprised.
This is what I said.....
(April 1, 2014 at 2:43 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I'm not talking about atheism in general, I'm referring to the activists. For instance, saying you believe in God doesn't make you religious, your actions show whether you are or not.
Atheism is not a religion in and of itself, but atheist activists forming an organization to push their agenda can be debated to be.
So there is no "fallacy of composition"
You can be a religious athiest
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Creationist Senators block fossil bill
April 2, 2014 at 12:14 pm
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Buddhism is an atheistic religion. This whole effort to redefine all atheism as a religion is ridiculous, and pointless.
Christians seem to:
Not think it's possible for anyone to hold no religious beliefs
Think that defining atheism as a religion will make it easier to dismiss
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RE: Creationist Senators block fossil bill
April 2, 2014 at 12:17 pm
(April 2, 2014 at 12:14 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Buddhism is an atheistic religion.
Technically, Buddhism is defined as a philosophy.
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RE: Creationist Senators block fossil bill
April 2, 2014 at 1:22 pm
The problem with what you quoted yourself as saying, Huggy, is fairly well represented in the existence of the Clergy Project, designed to support atheists in the clergy, some of whom are closeted.
Yes, that's right: pastors who are atheists. So it's evidence, just from that one example, though I can give more, that you can't recognize someone's religious affiliations by their actions, you have to go by their beliefs.
But then, you did use a No True Scotsman fallacy earlier, so... I don't even know what you're going to say next.
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April 2, 2014 at 9:01 pm
(April 2, 2014 at 12:17 pm)Kitanetos Wrote: (April 2, 2014 at 12:14 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Buddhism is an atheistic religion.
Technically, Buddhism is defined as a philosophy.
Folk Buddhism has many religious characteristics, including dogmas, divinity, offerings and idol worship.
Theravada is the close to a philosophy in the same way Taoism is: it can be practiced as a lifestyle without religious elements, but for many Buddhists it is indeed their religion.
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RE: Creationist Senators block fossil bill
April 5, 2014 at 10:42 pm
(March 30, 2014 at 9:53 am)Bittersmart Wrote: Two Christian SC Senators Block Third Grader’s State Fossil Proposal Because Jesus
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/03/two-ch...lock-third
Quote:Earlier this year eight-year-old Olivia McConnell wrote her state representatives to suggest that since South Carolina doesn’t currently have a state fossil, it should be given one! Olivia decided that she needed a legitimate reason to suggest this besides liking fossils, so she came up with three:
1. One of the first discoveries of a vertebrae fossil in North America was on an S.C. plantation when slaves dug up wooly mammoth teeth from a swamp in 1725.
2. All but seven states have an official state fossil.
3. “Fossils tell us about our past.”
She sent the letter to Representative Robert Ridgeway(D) and Sen. Kevin Johnson(D), asking them to sponsor a bill officially making the woolly mammoth the official state fossil.
Quote:Ridgeway and Johnson both filed bills- H.4482 and S.854-to make the mammoth the official state fossil. The bill would amend the 1976 code on state emblems to include the Columbian Mammoth as the state’s first official fossil.
Quote:The bill passed the House with overwhelming support but encountered some difficulties when Senator Mike Fair(R-Turd) objected to the bill for “religious reasons.”
Fair, who has compared the President to Osama Bin Laden, helped to block funding for a rape crisis center, called climate change a hoax, and blocked evolution from the state’s science standards, saying “I don’t have a problem with teaching theories. I don’t think it should be taught as fact,” stood up for Biblical representation in the state fossil–after all, what’s science without Jesus?
Bryant proposed an amendment to the bill to include a passage from Genesis explaining the Biblical creation of life–because why not?
“I think it’s a good idea to designate the mammoth as the state fossil, I don’t have a problem with that. I just felt like it’d be a good thing to acknowledge the creator of the fossils,” Bryant told the Daily Beast.
Lt. Gov. Glenn McConnell blocked the proposed amendment because it introduced a new subject. He has since amended the amendment to describe the Columbian Mammoth as “created on the Sixth Day with the beasts of the field.”
In response to the Lt. Governor’s ruling Senator Mike Fair placed an objection to the bill, which has been put on hold until they can take what was a simple thing that would benefit children across South Carolina and make one little girl very happy–and figure out how to please the Creationists.
They can't even let a little girl get a State Fossil without being obnoxious, religious twats. PRAISE JAYSUS!
Obviously - the bill should name Mike Fair the state fossil
THat would mean he could not vote on the bill for conflict of interest
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