Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life.

[Chas]

That indicates how little you know about real science.

Apparently more than you do.

GC

Ignorant, childish answer from an ignorant, childish man. So sad.

[The Valkyrie]

That indicates how little you know about real science.

Apparently more than you do.

GC

Judging by the quality of the posts, the evidence, and the arguments, you are incorrect.

[Bad Writer]

Apparently more than you do.

GC

Judging by the quality of the posts, the evidence, and the arguments, you are incorrect.

Our irony meters need retuning after most GC posts.

[Jackalope]

Judging by the quality of the posts, the evidence, and the arguments, you are incorrect.

Our irony meters need retuning after most GC posts.

My irony meter got a restraining order.

[Lek]

In other words, the almighty whatnot does not communicate with you at all, you are just attributing situations and signs to it that could just as well be attributed to Bugs Bunny "communicating" with you.

And if there really is a cosmic thing-a-ma-jig why would it choose to communicate by the worst, most unreliable, and useless form of communication ever devised? Is your boundless being a complete blithering idiot?

First of all, I told you he does communicate with me. Why do you say it's the most useless form of communication ever devised? He managed to communicate it to approximately 1/3 of the world's population today. You can't hear him if you keep your brain closed though.

[Neo-Scholastic]

And Chad -- "really didn't repent" -- the tired old no true xtian fallacy -- I thought you had more class than that.

It's not a fallacy; it's just an opinion.

[Silver]

First of all, I told you he does communicate with me.

No, you just think he communicates with you. You want it to be true so badly that you have deluded yourself it must be true despite the realistic and logical evidence to the contrary.

He managed to communicate it to approximately 1/3 of the world's population today.

Argumentum ad populum. A majority believing something is true does not make it true, especially when the majority merely has fallible faith as its supposed evidence.

You can't hear him if you keep your brain closed though.

Anyone can be convinced of anything so long as one forgoes with logic. The comfortable lie, unfortunately, is not something that should be valued. I can no more believe in god without evidence than I can believe in the Easter Bunny without evidence. I can no more believe in god without evidence than I can believe in Zeus without evidence.

[Ryantology]

He managed to communicate it to approximately 1/3 of the world's population today. You can't hear him if you keep your brain closed though.

Created the entire universe, manages only a 33% success rate with its people. That's supposed to be impressive?

[Godscreated]

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Everyone here who professes to be non believers has rejected salvation out of self interest. Salvation comes from humbling yourself to admit you are a sinner who needs Christ and the salvation He gives.

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That implies that everyone who professes to be a non-believer is really a believer who rejects Christ out of self-interest. But again, if a person believes that the greatest reward is only through Christ, then self-interest would drive them towards Christ, not away from him. Therefore, it isn't self-interest; it's genuine lack of belief.

No it doesn't, not believing is rejecting period and that rejection comes through self interest, self interest is the first sin committed. Disobeying God whether you recognize Him or not is sin through self interest. To obey is to sacrifice what one desires for doing God's will. It's God's desire that everyone be saved and those who are not save is because they make a decision that they desire, that desire is out side God's desire.

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it's been a hard choice for many here, some have given up what they had received. Earlier you said salvation was a hard thing, now you're saying it doesn't seem to be much of a sacrifice, you need to come to some kind of agreement with yourself.

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I said that to live this life is to risk hell, unless you believe the philosophy of "once saved, always saved." Paul taught that Christians struggle against the weakness of the flesh, that salvation was not easy to achieve. Therefore it requires effort to stay on the path to salvation.

Once save always saved is not a philosophy, it has merit through scripture, though I do not believe in the definition most attribute to it. Paul never taught salvation was hard to achieve, if he had done that he would believed works saves and he definitely taught against that. Paul taught salvation was through a choice to believe in and follow Christ. What path of salvation, are you speaking in favor of works, something the Bible does not teach.

But it is also not a sacrifice. To call it a sacrifice implies that you are giving up something valuable to help another. I get the impression that you feel that your life, lived in accordance with god's plan and Christ's teachings, is the best possible way to live it and not a burden. So in exchange for living a rewarding life, you get to live forever in heaven with god. Where is the sacrifice?

Salvation is a sacrifice, as Paul said, one must die to self and receive Christ as the Lord of their life, one switches Lords, from self to Christ. Could it be those who walked away from Christianity were not interested in a new Lord but keep the old one.
Sacrifice means you give up your interest in favor of the interest of God and others. To be a Christian is just that and you can't be a Christian without salvation.
I never said that being a Christian did not come with burdens, until you live in service of Christ for others you probably can't understand the burdens Christians can have. Just because there are great rewards being a Christian doesn't mean there are not sacrifices, you need to see the whole of the picture.

Self interest through denial, you have no absolute proof that salvation through Christ isn't real.

I have no proof that it is, either. And that's the most logical approach. If I were to live my life based on the things I could not prove, I would have to worship thousands of gods, maybe millions of them. "Self interest through denial" is why I also do not worship the god of Islam or the gods of Olympus or any other god. You do not worship Brahma-- is it safe to assume that you do so driven by self interest through denial?

Logic what does logical proof have to do with the spiritual, the spiritual abounds in logic just not the logical proof you demand, and I find it very illogical to demand proof from God.
I do not worship other gods because the One I do has proven Himself to me, not because I demanded it, but because He rewarded my faith in Him. I did not ask Him to, it's a promised gift.
Again thanks for the good conversation.

GC

[Godlesspanther]

And Chad -- "really didn't repent" -- the tired old no true xtian fallacy -- I thought you had more class than that.

It's not a fallacy; it's just an opinion.

That cracked me up. Do you have a t-shirt that says, "It's not a fallacy; it's just an opinion."?

Your opinion is based on that fallacy and you know it.

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He managed to communicate it to approximately 1/3 of the world's population today. You can't hear him if you keep your brain closed though.

Created the entire universe, manages only a 33% success rate with its people. That's supposed to be impressive?

Then look at the variety of messages that the 33% are getting from supposedly the same source.

Very poor communicator.