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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
May 27, 2014 at 11:05 pm
(May 27, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: (May 27, 2014 at 10:36 pm)Bittersmart Wrote: Needs of the nation? What does that mean?
You might understand the meaning of" The needs of the Nation"
better, if I were to order you to put on a uniform and handed you a
rake and a shovel and assigned you to participate in a five year
agricultural program . Helping with the winter harvest to alleviate
hunger among the worker's immediate family members.
What the FUCK are you going on about?! Speak plainly. Geez.
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
May 28, 2014 at 7:21 am
Wouldn't having more babies create more mouths to feed and so would put more stress on society? Wouldn't the 'winter harvest' need to be much bigger each year?
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
May 28, 2014 at 7:47 am
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(May 27, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: (May 27, 2014 at 10:36 pm)Bittersmart Wrote: Needs of the nation? What does that mean?
You might understand the meaning of" The needs of the Nation"
better, if I were to order you to put on a uniform and handed you a
rake and a shovel and assigned you to participate in a five year
agricultural program . Helping with the winter harvest to alleviate
hunger among the worker's immediate family members.
My advice is to actually say what you're trying to say in simple, easy to understand language.
The above just comes off as verbose and thus un-interesting.
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
May 28, 2014 at 8:01 am
(May 27, 2014 at 9:50 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: (May 27, 2014 at 9:46 pm)Bittersmart Wrote: Then what are you saying?
I'm saying what I've already stated... " Why destroy healthy life in the womb " ?
Please answer this question.
Nobody has a right to use another person's body without that person's consent. The woman is not morally obliged to allow her body to be used for the purposes of incubating another human being if she does not want to. Even if, for the sake of argument, you concede full personhood of the foetus from the moment of conception, this basic principle of bodily autonomy will still make it morally acceptable for a woman to end an unwanted pregnancy.
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
May 28, 2014 at 8:06 am
(May 27, 2014 at 10:34 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: not totally a healthy life in the womb..
"Not ready to be a mother, yet
Cannot afford a child"
The needs of the nation come first in both these instances!
That's funny, because I don't recall "more babies no matter the cost" as being a particular need in an overpopulated, sparsely resourced world with an already taxed foster care system. 
More importantly, I don't think you're consistently applying your own logic here; why is it that it's okay to override someone's free will when it comes to pregnancies, but not in other situations where it might benefit the nation?
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
May 28, 2014 at 8:34 am
(May 27, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: You might understand the meaning of" The needs of the Nation"
better, if I were to order you to put on a uniform and handed you a
rake and a shovel and assigned you to participate in a five year
agricultural program . Helping with the winter harvest to alleviate
hunger among the worker's immediate family members.
Uh, we've been using these for awhile....
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
May 28, 2014 at 8:58 am
(May 27, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: (May 27, 2014 at 10:36 pm)Bittersmart Wrote: Needs of the nation? What does that mean?
You might understand the meaning of" The needs of the Nation"
better, if I were to order you to put on a uniform and handed you a
rake and a shovel and assigned you to participate in a five year
agricultural program . Helping with the winter harvest to alleviate
hunger among the worker's immediate family members.
Not sure I've ever seen a Marxist view on Abortion before.
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
May 28, 2014 at 10:10 am
(May 25, 2014 at 12:32 pm)Tea Earl Grey Hot Wrote: It's claimed that the pro-life movement really exists because pro-lifers don't want women to be equals with men. Being anti-abortion in other words is one major way they can bolster traditional patriarchy. If that's the case, then why are so many pro-lifers women? From my experience, the most vocal (and annoying) pro-lifers are women. Are these women wanting to limit their own freedom? Are they wanting to be subservient to men? Why? Because most of them have been pregnant and had children and from their experience believe that an unborn child is a life with value.
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
May 28, 2014 at 10:40 am
But is that value worth more than a persons bodily rights?
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
May 28, 2014 at 11:17 am
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