Abortion is morally wrong

[FatAndFaithless]

Why should they fund healthcare if they only have a spiritual mission on earth? Healthcare is the state's function, and the church is against contraceptives and pleasurable sex, why would it fund?

Exactly my point. They could make things easier, but they don't. They have to be against BOTH abortion and contraception.

Well you know what the old saying is... "Catholicism is the deep fear that someone, somewhere, is having fun."

[Dystopia]

Why should they fund healthcare if they only have a spiritual mission on earth? Healthcare is the state's function, and the church is against contraceptives and pleasurable sex, why would it fund?

Exactly my point. They could make things easier, but they don't. They have to be against BOTH abortion and contraception.

Why the hell are they against something that by it's very nature prevents the necessity or abortion? Fuck logic

[pocaracas]

This is true, however in my country the result backfired, women are using it as a contraceptive, some women intentionally don't use contraception and after sex they abort, it's free since the state funds everything but contraceptives cost money. I think it is shameful I'm paying for this, at least they should be paying out of their pockets. A woman even claims she had 10 abortions since legalization.

Actually.... if you go to the same place where you go to get the piece of paper that lets you have a free abortion, you can get free condoms...
But it seems people aren't really aware of that.

[Dystopia]

This is true, however in my country the result backfired, women are using it as a contraceptive, some women intentionally don't use contraception and after sex they abort, it's free since the state funds everything but contraceptives cost money. I think it is shameful I'm paying for this, at least they should be paying out of their pockets. A woman even claims she had 10 abortions since legalization.

Actually.... if you go to the same place where you go to get the piece of paper that lets you have a free abortion, you can get free condoms...
But it seems people aren't really aware of that.

Abortions here are only made in specialized clinics, there is one in each major industrial city, mainly because most hospital doctors are not fine with practicing abortion

[Losty]

Sex is good for the non-existent soul my friend. There is nothing wrong with having sex. There's something wrong with teaching young people that sex is a shameful act that they shouldn't engage in and/or talk about instead of teaching them how to have sex without getting std's and babies. Abortion isn't some fun thing that women think hey I can have all the sex I want and if I get pregnant I get to have an abortion
Regardless of how anyone feels about whether or not everyone should keep it in their pants, the fact is that people are going to have sex. This isn't a new thing or a liberal thing. What is new is that women are standing up and saying if I accidentally get pregnant, it should be my choice to have a baby or not. Getting married because you want to have sex or because you got pregnant only works out for the lucky ones. Most of the time it ends with broken unhappy families and the children are the ones who suffer the consequences.

This is true, however in my country the result backfired, women are using it as a contraceptive, some women intentionally don't use contraception and after sex they abort, it's free since the state funds everything but contraceptives cost money. I think it is shameful I'm paying for this, at least they should be paying out of their pockets. A woman even claims she had 10 abortions since legalization.

There is an easy fix to this issue. Tell your politicians to pull their heads out of their asses and make contraceptives free.

Having an abortion is not shameful. Having 10 abortions in your country is not shameful. What is shameful is is looking down on women as if they're the only ones who want to have sex without having babies. What is shameful is a government that leaves women with the option to not have sex or have an abortion and does not offer them an option of safe sex.
You don't want to pay for abortions? I don't want to pay for unwanted babies. You don't like abortion as a contraceptive? Stand up and speak out to your government. Ask your country's politicians to make smart choices and write responsible legislation.

[Dystopia]

This is true, however in my country the result backfired, women are using it as a contraceptive, some women intentionally don't use contraception and after sex they abort, it's free since the state funds everything but contraceptives cost money. I think it is shameful I'm paying for this, at least they should be paying out of their pockets. A woman even claims she had 10 abortions since legalization.

There is an easy fix to this issue. Tell your politicians to pull their heads out of their asses and make contraceptives free.

Having an abortion is not shameful. Having 10 abortions in your country is not shameful. What is shameful is is looking down on women as if they're the only ones who want to have sex without having babies. What is shameful is a government that leaves women with the option to not have sex or have an abortion and does not offer them an option of safe sex.
You don't want to pay for abortions? I don't want to pay for unwanted babies. You don't like abortion as a contraceptive? Stand up and speak out to your government. Ask your country's politicians to make smart choices and write responsible legislation.

I laughed at the part of 'smart choices' and 'responsible legislation'! Our politicians don't do such! Abortion is only legal because there was a referendum, only 40% of the population went to vote, YES won by 52% of votes (in 40% of the population) however if everyone voted NO would most definitely win. I think it is shameful to pay for this, know the free contraceptives are low quality, however you cannot demand high quality contraceptives without more taxes (and currently raising taxes is impossible, they are already to high), you pay what you come to get. If you do not have quality contraceptives, at least use the low quality ones, or use 'natural' methods to stop pregnancy, even someone very poor can afford a contraceptive, some kind of pill alike contraceptive such as the arm implant are free but few women know about it, it works 99% of the time.

[Losty]

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There is an easy fix to this issue. Tell your politicians to pull their heads out of their asses and make contraceptives free.

Having an abortion is not shameful. Having 10 abortions in your country is not shameful. What is shameful is is looking down on women as if they're the only ones who want to have sex without having babies. What is shameful is a government that leaves women with the option to not have sex or have an abortion and does not offer them an option of safe sex.
You don't want to pay for abortions? I don't want to pay for unwanted babies. You don't like abortion as a contraceptive? Stand up and speak out to your government. Ask your country's politicians to make smart choices and write responsible legislation.

I laughed at the part of 'smart choices' and 'responsible legislation'! Our politicians don't do such! Abortion is only legal because there was a referendum, only 40% of the population went to vote, YES won by 52% of votes (in 40% of the population) however if everyone voted NO would most definitely win. I think it is shameful to pay for this, know the free contraceptives are low quality, however you cannot demand high quality contraceptives without more taxes (and currently raising taxes is impossible, they are already to high), you pay what you come to get. If you do not have quality contraceptives, at least use the low quality ones, or use 'natural' methods to stop pregnancy, even someone very poor can afford a contraceptive, some kind of pill alike contraceptive such as the arm implant are free but few women know about it, it works 99% of the time.

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A little education goes a long way. Petition your politicians to spend tax money on contraceptives instead of abortion. Volunteer to teach young people about their options for safe sex. If you don't like abortion, be a part of the solution instead of a part of the problem.

[Dystopia]

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I laughed at the part of 'smart choices' and 'responsible legislation'! Our politicians don't do such! Abortion is only legal because there was a referendum, only 40% of the population went to vote, YES won by 52% of votes (in 40% of the population) however if everyone voted NO would most definitely win. I think it is shameful to pay for this, know the free contraceptives are low quality, however you cannot demand high quality contraceptives without more taxes (and currently raising taxes is impossible, they are already to high), you pay what you come to get. If you do not have quality contraceptives, at least use the low quality ones, or use 'natural' methods to stop pregnancy, even someone very poor can afford a contraceptive, some kind of pill alike contraceptive such as the arm implant are free but few women know about it, it works 99% of the time.

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A little education goes a long way. Petition your politicians to spend tax money on contraceptives instead of abortion. Volunteer to teach young people about their options for safe sex. If you don't like abortion, be a part of the solution instead of a part of the problem.

I'll tell you why that won't work, even though it is the right call:
1 - The majority of the population is against abortion, we wouldn't have enough subscriptions for a valid petition
2 - Most people don't even care about voting, they certainly won't give a damn about a petition to allow women to commit 'qualified murder'
3 - Our politicians only care about statistics, not about results, as long as our education is statistically good they are happy, in spite of this happening because teachers pass every student, they are ordered to do so
4 - We have too many problems to care about abortion now, and some politicians still discuss if we should make abortion illegal again. If the far right gets more votes this will happen.
5 - Even if we made a petition, politicians aren't obligated to support it

[FatAndFaithless]

A little education goes a long way. Petition your politicians to spend tax money on contraceptives instead of abortion. Volunteer to teach young people about their options for safe sex. If you don't like abortion, be a part of the solution instead of a part of the problem.

I'll tell you why that won't work, even though it is the right call:
1 - The majority of the population is against abortion, we wouldn't have enough subscriptions for a valid petition
2 - Most people don't even care about voting, they certainly won't give a damn about a petition to allow women to commit 'qualified murder'
3 - Our politicians only care about statistics, not about results, as long as our education is statistically good they are happy, in spite of this happening because teachers pass every student, they are ordered to do so
4 - We have too many problems to care about abortion now, and some politicians still discuss if we should make abortion illegal again. If the far right gets more votes this will happen.
5 - Even if we made a petition, politicians aren't obligated to support it

I'm sorry if you've said this before, but where do you live again?

[Dystopia]

I'll tell you why that won't work, even though it is the right call:
1 - The majority of the population is against abortion, we wouldn't have enough subscriptions for a valid petition
2 - Most people don't even care about voting, they certainly won't give a damn about a petition to allow women to commit 'qualified murder'
3 - Our politicians only care about statistics, not about results, as long as our education is statistically good they are happy, in spite of this happening because teachers pass every student, they are ordered to do so
4 - We have too many problems to care about abortion now, and some politicians still discuss if we should make abortion illegal again. If the far right gets more votes this will happen.
5 - Even if we made a petition, politicians aren't obligated to support it

I'm sorry if you've said this before, but where do you live again?

Portugal. Can you spell massive economic and financial crisis? Worse than us is only Greece.