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RE: The Baha'i Faith
July 9, 2014 at 9:17 am
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(July 9, 2014 at 9:14 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (July 9, 2014 at 9:12 am)zanOTK Wrote: *sigh* Is this how this is going to be? Very well. Shall we take this to a private discussion? There is no need to bicker in public.
I wouldn't call it bickering, you're discussing a facet of your faith that's important to both of you..that's kinda what forums are for. Also, it's pretty educational for observers (especially dumb ones like me!).
I said bickering because I'm afraid that is what it will devolve in to. Not because of logicalreason, but because of my own weaknesses. I'm afraid I can be a rather argumentative individual at times. However, if you wish to see this discussion I will consent to continuing it here. But! If it does devolve into bickering, I insist that logicalreason and I continue in private.
(July 9, 2014 at 9:17 am)logicalreason Wrote: zanOTK,
You seem to be trying to muscle your opinion on me. I already stated that you are a Theistic Baha'i. That's fine with me. Most Baha'is are theistic.
But some like me are non-theistic. Non-theistic Baha'is even existed during the time of Baha'u'llah and He wrote a Tablet about it called "The Tablet of Jamal-i-Burujirdi" and the Universal House of Justice even wrote a letter to a European Auxiliary Board Member about it, found on Bahai-library.
You seem to have a problem with my non-theism, even though I don't have a problem with your theism.
Dear sir, I have no issue with your atheism. I have simply stated that the official position of the Faith is theism, while adding that there is no reason you can't disagree with that position.
If you would please provide a link to the letter written by the UHJ I would appreciate it (since I don't know which letter to search for in the library. There are so many!).
My sincerest apologies if you felt I was attempting to "muscle" my beliefs upon you.
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RE: The Baha'i Faith
July 9, 2014 at 9:22 am
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RE: The Baha'i Faith
July 9, 2014 at 9:28 am
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RE: The Baha'i Faith
July 9, 2014 at 9:32 am
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RE: The Baha'i Faith
July 9, 2014 at 9:43 am
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RE: The Baha'i Faith
July 9, 2014 at 9:46 am
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Really? The first position that the Essence of God Himself is in the temple (lower case t) is a theistic position?
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RE: The Baha'i Faith
July 9, 2014 at 9:50 am
(July 9, 2014 at 9:46 am)logicalreason Wrote: Really? The first position that the Essence of God Himself is in the temple (lower case t) is a theistic position?
Dear sir, it is as theistic as the Christian belief that Jesus is God.
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RE: The Baha'i Faith
July 9, 2014 at 9:52 am
The Christian belief that Jesus is God is different. That belief is that God the Father fathered the Son, so the Father is in the Son.
So who impregnated the mother of Baha'u'llah?
This is not a theistic position, I am sorry to tell you.
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RE: The Baha'i Faith
July 9, 2014 at 9:59 am
Hey guys, question from an ignorant observer. In that paragraph you guys are discussing, when it says that people shouldn't "engage in contention and disputation"...does really mean people can't argue about their faith?
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RE: The Baha'i Faith
July 9, 2014 at 9:59 am
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(July 9, 2014 at 9:52 am)logicalreason Wrote: The Christian belief that Jesus is God is different. That belief is that God the Father fathered the Son, so the Father is in the Son.
So who impregnated the mother of Baha'u'llah?
This is not a theistic position, I am sorry to tell you.
Dear sir, I'm confused. How exactly is stating that the Manifestation of God is the Essence of God non-theistic? It is a position I personally have trouble with, but I can understand why some people would prefer it. Nonetheless, it appears to be clearly theistic to me.
(July 9, 2014 at 9:59 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Hey guys, question from an ignorant observer. In that paragraph you guys are discussing, when it says that people shouldn't "engage in contention and disputation"...does really mean people can't argue about their faith?
"Contention and dispution" refers to antagonistic argument, attempting to force your religious opinions upon another. However, polite discussion is encouraged.
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