Try and prove me wrong on this...

[Simon Moon]

Isn't Mozart's best, real world, choice heroin?

He is never going to get the fantasy world he imagines, so, heroin is the only choice, that actually exists, to get him the mental state he desires. Bliss.

I'm only partially kidding. He says he's willing to slaughter anyone that would stop him from entering the portal, why not sacrifice his own health for a bit of bliss?

[Mozart Link]

Yes, I have considered as well what that would do to their happiness if I did choose to become retarded and I have come to the honest conclusion that they would be happier taking care of me if I were retarded and had all the pleasure in the world. Again, I do not see why they wouldn't be happier in that situation since family cares for your emotional well being more than work put upon them and if it's actually the other way around, then I wouldn't even consider them family.

You are missing the obvious choice. You can become a self-sufficient productive member of society and make everyone involved happier.

Although I understand the value of helping others through intelligence and such, the fact of the matter is that I as a person will be nothing without pleasure regardless of how much I help others and I will never be able to receive pleasure in helping others nor will I get a sense of living or my life being worth living through pleasure.

[Cato]

You are missing the obvious choice. You can become a self-sufficient productive member of society and make everyone involved happier.

Although I understand the value of helping others through intelligence and such, the fact of the matter is that I as a person will be nothing without pleasure regardless of how much I help others and I will never be able to receive pleasure in helping others nor will I get a sense of living or my life being worth living through pleasure.

I'm not talking about helping others, I'm talking about helping yourself and unburdening those supporting you while you are permanently joy seeking.

[Mozart Link]

Although I understand the value of helping others through intelligence and such, the fact of the matter is that I as a person will be nothing without pleasure regardless of how much I help others and I will never be able to receive pleasure in helping others nor will I get a sense of living or my life being worth living through pleasure.

I'm not talking about helping others, I'm talking about helping yourself and unburdening those supporting you while you are permanently joy seeking.

But if it were a choice of unburdening those people for the sake of never experiencing any amount of pleasure whatsoever and that no matter what I do, I could never experience any amount of pleasure ever again, then the argument I just made there also holds true for this situation as well.

[ShaMan]

Let's kill everything incapable of 'experiencing' our understanding of 'pleasure' (apparently including other forum members).

[Mozart Link]

Let's kill everything incapable of 'experiencing' our understanding of 'pleasure' (apparently including other forum members).

People who have such low value towards pleasure are people I wouldn't even consider human. Although these people still have pleasure, in a sense, they are mere robots since they have no value whatsoever towards pleasure and don't care about it (so it's like they don't even have this emotion in the first place in a sense). A real emotionally sensitive human being (such as myself) would have great value towards pleasure. You might be thinking that me wanting to kill people who have such low value towards pleasure makes me the insensitive robot, but actually, it shows that I am that much more human and sensitive than these people.

[Cato]

But if it were a choice of unburdening those people for the sake of never experiencing any amount of pleasure whatsoever and that no matter what I do, I could never experience any amount of pleasure ever again, then the argument I just made there also holds true for this situation as well.

And what of their pleasure? Not to mention the assinine assertion that providing for yourself equates to 'never experiencing any amount of pleasure whatsoever'.

[Mozart Link]

But if it were a choice of unburdening those people for the sake of never experiencing any amount of pleasure whatsoever and that no matter what I do, I could never experience any amount of pleasure ever again, then the argument I just made there also holds true for this situation as well.

And what of their pleasure? Not to mention the assinine assertion that providing for yourself equates to 'never experiencing any amount of pleasure whatsoever'.

At that point, since life has no meaning, then that means it is neither positive nor negative to choose to have all the pleasure for yourself and leave others with no pleasure. Again, life has no meaning and is whatever meaning you give it. So if I say it's perfectly fine if I choose to have all the pleasure for myself, then that makes it good (only for me). As for what you said about my assertion, that is just a pretend situation. Also, go ahead and voice your opinion on my previous post I just made as well.

[Mystical]

So, this thread is about the morality of primal selfishness. Gotcha.

[Cato]

Again, life has no meaning and is whatever meaning you give it.

Why don't you resolve this contradiction and get back to us.