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RE: Questions About the Rapture
September 29, 2014 at 2:40 pm
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(September 29, 2014 at 12:11 pm)Jenny A Wrote: That's what I was getting at. I assume ALL Christians believe in the resurrection (it's definitional), but when I asked "do you believe in the rapture" surely you knew that simple resurrection wasn't what I had in mind. Most denominations don't refer to resurrection as the rapture. And some that do mean the final resurrection. What I'm asking about is pre-trib rapture.
I'm assume you are in the pre-trib camp? I'm in the IDK camp. There is scripture to support Pre- Mid and Post trib..I believe in the rapture, but as to how or when I don't need to know. I like the Idea of a pre/Mid trib Because I don't want to be made to endure a "This Is The End"/movie. eitherway it will not change what I do. I will not teach one over another. i will simply lay out what the bible does say and maybe explain why people think the way they do.
I like to think I would be pleasently suprized eitherway. Unless I was to be considered one of the 'reminant.' who's job it is to bring the last of the fold home. (Which doesn't look too good given my choice of ministry.  )
Quote:Now there's an answer that makes some sense, though I'm glad you put prophet in quotes because I wouldn't call Martin Luther or Calvin prophets. Nor do the churches they created look back to their teachings as the definitive word on how to interpret scripture.
Indeed. They are men like the rest. God gave them great revelations into his word, but those who follow them have changed and augumented to fill answers to questions they did not orginally answer. turning a good teachers work into the 'holy words of a prophet.'
Quote:The point of the protestant movement was to use the Bible as the primary source of knowledge and to remove the requirements of priestly intervention.
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Quote: The exception being the Anglicans of course. Europe has lots of protestants who have no prophets. But if you substitute tradition for prophet we maybe getting somewhere.
Blindly following Tradition is worse than following a 'phrophet.'
At least with those who seek the truth and follow a 'phrophet' the bible can sometimes be used to talk sense into them. Those who seek to follow tradition are only looking to recreat the faith of their fathers. To do so is not what God outlines in the NT.
(September 29, 2014 at 12:52 pm)FreeTony Wrote: (September 29, 2014 at 11:39 am)Drich Wrote: In the U.S. christianity is not tied to any one prophet/pope/doctrine. Which means we are free to go where ever the bible leads.
Which is why, given the the bible is so clear, all US Christians end up with the exact same beliefs. Oh wait.... Allow me to finish your statement.
Oh, wait....
Christianity is unlike any other religion in that their isn't meant to be a single core doctrine (exact same beliefs) outside the gospel.
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RE: Questions About the Rapture
September 29, 2014 at 2:59 pm
I grew up in Catholicism which rejects both the Millennium reign of Christ and the Catching Away of believers.
An ideal deception is to use Christian words while redefining them.
The more steeped In tradition they are- the more unbiblical they are.
When I went to churches which taught the bible, they also (whenever it would be) taught the Rapture.
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RE: Questions About the Rapture
September 29, 2014 at 3:21 pm
(September 29, 2014 at 2:40 pm)Drich Wrote: (Which doesn't look too good given my choice of ministry. ) -or your talents regarding the same..... 
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Questions About the Rapture
September 29, 2014 at 7:21 pm
(September 29, 2014 at 2:40 pm)Drich Wrote: [quote='Jenny A' pid='760924' dateline='1412007082']
Quote:Now there's an answer that makes some sense, though I'm glad you put prophet in quotes because I wouldn't call Martin Luther or Calvin prophets. Nor do the churches they created look back to their teachings as the definitive word on how to interpret scripture.
Indeed. They are men like the rest. God gave them great revelations into his word, but those who follow them have changed and augumented to fill answers to questions they did not orginally answer. turning a good teachers work into the 'holy words of a prophet.'
Before we get too cozy here. I meant that they are not prophets AND their followers do not treat them as such. Lutherans have reached different conclusions about what the Bible means. So have other sects. The point being that the Bible is hardly an easily interpreted or even all that coherent a set of documents.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: Questions About the Rapture
September 30, 2014 at 10:36 am
(September 29, 2014 at 7:21 pm)Jenny A Wrote: (September 29, 2014 at 2:40 pm)Drich Wrote: Indeed. They are men like the rest. God gave them great revelations into his word, but those who follow them have changed and augumented to fill answers to questions they did not orginally answer. turning a good teachers work into the 'holy words of a prophet.'
Before we get too cozy here. I meant that they are not prophets AND their followers do not treat them as such. Lutherans have reached different conclusions about what the Bible means. So have other sects. The point being that the Bible is hardly an easily interpreted or even all that coherent a set of documents.
Indeed they are not prophets, (as the OT understanding of the word goes) and if you ask no one would ever admit to worship them as prophets. However if you take the literal defination of the word prophet and match it to the various doctrines and religious musts, one must believe and follow to be apart of a given denomination. You can identify what is actually happening in a given expression of their various Christian faiths.
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RE: Questions About the Rapture
September 15, 2015 at 2:52 pm
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RE: Questions About the Rapture
September 15, 2015 at 5:01 pm
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RE: Questions About the Rapture
September 15, 2015 at 5:13 pm
Oh my. Another zombie braught back to life.
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September 15, 2015 at 5:20 pm
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RE: Questions About the Rapture
September 15, 2015 at 5:27 pm
You still don't get that you're firing away at a thread zombie? Raised by some newb?
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