(September 30, 2014 at 3:04 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: Sorry, Shaman I know tou are not annoyed was addressing everyone.I suspect that some members are frustrated with you because you are not providing reasoning for your beliefs, but merely stating them. I have suggested to you that you live out your faith here - show it more, and preach less. By preaching I simply mean that when you state a belief over and over, it does nothing to support that belief, whereas, actions based upon those beliefs will go much further toward a clearer representation of the same.
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Christians: Please explain the Exodus
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  (September 30, 2014 at 3:07 pm)Exian Wrote: Would you agree then, C4, that your stance is that the bible is literally true and reality is not? I am not really sure what you are asking. (September 30, 2014 at 3:07 pm)Exian Wrote: Would you agree then, C4, that your stance is that the bible is literally true and reality is not?This line of logic has eluded him before. Do you expect perception now? I'm not quarreling, I just think that once he's proven that he's incapable of conversing at this level, that adaptive tactics could be useful. RE: Christians: Please explain the Exodus
September 30, 2014 at 3:15 pm
(This post was last modified: September 30, 2014 at 3:18 pm by C4RM5.)
ShaMan the problem with me explaining my beliefs is that all my evidence is from he Bible.
I have came up of one point why it is important that Exodus is literal. During the transfiguratio Moses appears, but if exodus didn't happen then why does he appear, without exodus we have no reasons to believe Moses esisted even though he is mentioned throughout the Bible. (September 30, 2014 at 3:14 pm)ShaMan Wrote:(September 30, 2014 at 3:07 pm)Exian Wrote: Would you agree then, C4, that your stance is that the bible is literally true and reality is not?This line of logic has eluded him before. Do you expect perception now? I'm not quarreling, I just think that once he's proven that he's incapable of conversing at this level, that adaptive tactics could be useful. The wording of the question has confused me I am not sure if it supposed to have a 'in' between the 'and' and 'reality' or is he reality mistyped and supposed to read really. It changes the question. 
Well, consider what the bible says in Exodus, then consider the archeological yield. They are in direct conflict. So we have Bible vs. Reality. When you claim that everything in the bible is "literally true", are you also willing to claim reality is false?
I can't remember where this verse is from, I think it got removed from canon:
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No I am just stated there may be more than one reason for his 'evidence' not being there.
RE: Christians: Please explain the Exodus
September 30, 2014 at 3:19 pm
(This post was last modified: September 30, 2014 at 3:23 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
C4, the hebrew masses having never wandered the desert ala exodus doesn't do anything to the ten commandments. If I told you that the ten commandments were written yesterday by a parakeet, you'd still think they were good commandments, wouldn't you?
You aren't part of the jewish temple, you're a christian. What on earth could the exodus myth have to say about Christ? So what if moses didn't appear, or there was no moses? People can't embellish the truth? -and so what if there wasn't a single word in the entirety of the bible that was true? It would all be rendered meaningless? That's the only value the narrative has, to you?
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(September 30, 2014 at 3:14 pm)ShaMan Wrote:(September 30, 2014 at 3:07 pm)Exian Wrote: Would you agree then, C4, that your stance is that the bible is literally true and reality is not?This line of logic has eluded him before. Do you expect perception now? I'm not quarreling, I just think that once he's proven that he's incapable of conversing at this level, that adaptive tactics could be useful. Ah, it's worth another shot, I guess. If it proves useless we can move on and away from a lost cause. (September 30, 2014 at 3:15 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: During the transfiguratio Moses appears, but if exodus didn't happen then why does he appear, without exodus we have no reasons to believe Moses esisted even though he is mentioned throughout the Bible."Moses" is as real as any other archetype found in the bible, including any 'teaching' that [he] is mentioned in, including the exodus and the transfiguration. Try to look beyond the literal words, and pray to Christ for enlightenment of His Truth. |
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