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RE: Horrible things in the bible
October 11, 2014 at 4:28 pm
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(October 11, 2014 at 12:37 pm)Retrolord Wrote: Okay so I was silently observing this thread for about a week now. The sacrifice of Jesus goes far beyond what you guys call scapegoating.
Do you really think we don't understand Christian theologies?
Quote:My honest opinion- you don't want to immerse yourselves and find out more about it.
OK, you got that one sort of right. I've seen plenty, don't need more.
Quote:You don't really want a priest ( yeah now some will make paedophilia jokes) or devout christian to explain it to you. I'm not pointing fingers or insulting anyone. It's just an observation
Yes, you are. It's just that it's passive-aggressive.
Quote:Anyway I returned because I wanted to suggest reading about biblical archaeology and how many places and people they have found. Again, not stating its true. Just sharing
Again, do you actually think we haven't?
(October 11, 2014 at 12:50 pm)genkaus Wrote: (October 11, 2014 at 12:37 pm)Retrolord Wrote: Okay so I was silently observing this thread for about a week now. The sacrifice of Jesus goes far beyond what you guys call scapegoating.
I agree - in scapegoating the victim actually does bear the punishment. He doesn't go scot-free after three days.
Not even two days, actually: Friday mid-day to Sunday morning. Not quite 48 hours.
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RE: Horrible things in the bible
October 11, 2014 at 5:29 pm
Quote:Yes, you are. It's just that it's passive-aggressive.
I used to date a girl who once told me, 'I know I can be passive-aggressive at times.'
I said, 'Really? When do I get to see the "passive" bit?' We didn't see much of each other after that.
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RE: Horrible things in the bible
October 11, 2014 at 5:32 pm
Quote:Anyway I returned because I wanted to suggest reading about biblical archaeology and how many places and people they have found.
Oh, this should be fun. Exactly what do you think they have found and what do you think it means?
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RE: Horrible things in the bible
October 11, 2014 at 6:39 pm
(October 11, 2014 at 3:50 pm)genkaus Wrote: Did you just say that Sikhs, Buddhists, agnostics and atheists are all Christian? That's not a "no true Scotsman" fallacy, that's an "all true Scotsman" fallacy.
No. I didn't say anything about them being christian. All I said was that I know people of those faiths and persuasions.
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RE: Horrible things in the bible
October 11, 2014 at 8:11 pm
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(October 11, 2014 at 3:35 pm)Lek Wrote: I've always wondered why the Romans didn't make it a point to prove that he didn't rise. That would have greatly hindered the rise of christianity which they viewed as a threat to the empire. Because they didn't really notice them, and wouldn't have cared anyway. Jesusism isn't exactly the sort of thing that would make Rome tremble in it's sandals Lek.........They'd put a bust of your boy in their temple and expect coin.
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RE: Horrible things in the bible
October 11, 2014 at 8:31 pm
Of course, there's an obvious option for why the Romans never noticed godboy himself.
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RE: Horrible things in the bible
October 11, 2014 at 8:44 pm
(October 11, 2014 at 8:31 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Of course, there's an obvious option for why the Romans never noticed godboy himself.
You mean he had an invisibility cloak like Harry Potter, of course.
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RE: Horrible things in the bible
October 11, 2014 at 8:46 pm
He had the resurrection stone too  hock:
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RE: Horrible things in the bible
October 11, 2014 at 9:23 pm
(October 11, 2014 at 12:37 pm)Retrolord Wrote: Okay so I was silently observing this thread for about a week now. The sacrifice of Jesus goes far beyond what you guys call scapegoating. My honest opinion- you don't want to immerse yourselves and find out more about it. You don't really want a priest ( yeah now some will make paedophilia jokes) or devout christian to explain it to you. I'm not pointing fingers or insulting anyone. It's just an observation
Nonsense. What is wanted is an explanation that has fewer holes than an industrial cheese-grater.
The story told in the Bible makes no sense to mere mortals. Is your god so imperfect he cannot find the mode of communication that will touch us? Or is he so evil he's happy to doom some of his own "children" to damnation?
A god who cannot even author a perfect book can hardly be expected to author anything else perfect ... and by definition, that means he isn't perfect.
(October 11, 2014 at 12:37 pm)Retrolord Wrote: Anyway I returned because I wanted to suggest reading about biblical archaeology and how many places and people they have found. Again, not stating its true. Just sharing
Of course not; you're belaboring the obvious.
Like so many other Christians, and even the other one in this thread, you assume that disagreement means ignorance; and that says much more about you than it does about anyone else here.
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RE: Horrible things in the bible
October 12, 2014 at 1:46 am
(October 11, 2014 at 3:35 pm)Lek Wrote: (October 9, 2014 at 9:59 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Just say "I believe because of special pleading."
I decided to take this challenge very seriously and get down to the real reason that I'm a christian. That's why it's taken me a couple days to get back. When I really examined the reasons I've put forth, I realize that none of them were reasons that I first came to believe in God and Jesus. I was raised in a strong catholic family and went to catholic school from 1st through 8th grade and continued in catholic education classes through high school. I was thoroughly indoctrinated into the catholic faith and I accepted it all. When I left home for military, my free time quickly became filled with getting drunk or high and chasing women. Even then, on Sunday mornings I'd crawl out of whatever bed I had ended up in, with a hangover, and head to the base chapel and go to mass. Eventually, I ended up meeting some christian friends and that's when I became a real christian and changed my lifestyle.
I didn't know the bible well at all when I decided to really follow Jesus, but I saw the way these guys lived and looked at life, and I wanted that. So I wanted the peace of mind that came with it, and I'll also admit that I had a fear of going to hell. It's been over 20 years since those days, and I've never found a good reason to stop believing. I believe that if someone possesses the truth it will show in their life. I know christians, seiks, buddhists, agnostics and atheists, and, in general, the ones who most appear to be living lives of love and self-giving are the true christians. "No true scotsman" does apply here. It seems every church I've been in has some who are true christians and some who say they are, but really are not willing to commit to following Christ.
Special pleading does not apply to my belief. I'm not disregarding any evidence. The history of the christian faith as laid out in the bible impresses me. I know of no other religion that has developed over time and has been chronicled by so many different writers over so many centuries. The resurrection, which has been attested to by various writers, is a large part of my clinching arguments for christianity over other religions. I've always wondered why the Romans didn't make it a point to prove that he didn't rise. That would have greatly hindered the rise of christianity which they viewed as a threat to the empire. Also the great majority of historians agree that Jesus did exist. I haven't come across any evidence that would convince me that christianity is not true. It's real, and I see no reason to walk away from God. For what?
Anyway, that's my true answer to your challenge. No B.S.
What did Jesus himself say that you find so worthy?
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