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RE: Gay rights within the template of religion proves flaws in "religion"
October 15, 2014 at 12:42 pm
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(October 15, 2014 at 12:41 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Ah, so we're back to using Old Testament laws again, Carm? Then answer Esqui's question about what the Bible says is law for homosexual acts.
I have already answered this and you know that stop repeating yourself.
(October 15, 2014 at 12:41 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Ah, so we're back to using Old Testament laws again, Carm? Because earlier you tried to worm your way out of an Old Testament law regarding the punishment for homosexual acts. You said that Jesus forgave them so that law doesn't have to be followed anymore. Now you're using Jesus to say that you should follow Old Testament Law. Which is it?
It depends on the law.
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RE: Gay rights within the template of religion proves flaws in "religion"
October 15, 2014 at 12:44 pm
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(October 15, 2014 at 12:42 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: (October 15, 2014 at 12:41 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Ah, so we're back to using Old Testament laws again, Carm? Because earlier you tried to worm your way out of an Old Testament law regarding the punishment for homosexual acts. You said that Jesus forgave them so that law doesn't have to be followed anymore. Now you're using Jesus to say that you should follow Old Testament Law. Which is it?
It depends on the law.
Why does it depend on the law? The laws aren't eternal and absolute?
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October 15, 2014 at 12:46 pm
(October 15, 2014 at 12:44 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (October 15, 2014 at 12:42 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: It depends on the law.
Why does it depend on the law? The laws aren't eternal and absolute?
Yea they are but Jesus offers forgiveness from your sins if not you will still be punished.
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RE: Gay rights within the template of religion proves flaws in "religion"
October 15, 2014 at 12:46 pm
(October 15, 2014 at 12:38 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: First of all Matthew did meet Jesus he was one of his apostles.
What I was saying about my quote was that there are pretty clear standards of what a marriage is, between man and woman, if you don't see this you haven't read my quote.
Finally the quote Jesus said was actually a quote from the old testament Genesis 22-24" For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh."
Newsflash, C4RM5: Most of us here don't really give a flying fuck what Jesus' opinion was on marriage.
As for Jesus' alleged disciple, Matthew, actually being the author of the Gospel traditionally attributed to him, please see the meaning of the phrase 'traditionally attributed'. He wrote that Gospel the same way "Moses" wrote the Torah -- i.e., he didn't, though a lot of simpletons like you haven't caught up with the past 200+ years of Biblical scholarship. Time to join the 21st Century, son.
And please answer Esquilax's question. What are believers to do with gays according to your holy book (and why do you lack such faith that you don't follow your god's command)?
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RE: Gay rights within the template of religion proves flaws in "religion"
October 15, 2014 at 12:48 pm
Is there any evidence that Mattay have wrote that gospel
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RE: Gay rights within the template of religion proves flaws in "religion"
October 15, 2014 at 12:48 pm
(October 15, 2014 at 12:46 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: (October 15, 2014 at 12:38 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: First of all Matthew did meet Jesus he was one of his apostles.
What I was saying about my quote was that there are pretty clear standards of what a marriage is, between man and woman, if you don't see this you haven't read my quote.
Finally the quote Jesus said was actually a quote from the old testament Genesis 22-24" For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh."
Newsflash, C4RM5: Most of us here don't really give a flying fuck what Jesus' opinion was on marriage.
As for Jesus' alleged disciple, Matthew, actually being the author of the Gospel traditionally attributed to him, please see the meaning of the phrase 'traditionally attributed'. He wrote that Gospel the same way "Moses" wrote the Torah -- i.e., he didn't, though a lot of simpletons like you haven't caught up with the past 200+ years of Biblical scholarship. Time to join the 21st Century, son.
And please answer Esquilax's question. What are believers to do with gays according to your holy book (and why do you lack such faith that you don't follow your god's command)?
Why can't you just go back a few pages to see what my answer was cause I know you are asking me the same questions so you can insult me because that is what some people here like to do.
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RE: Gay rights within the template of religion proves flaws in "religion"
October 15, 2014 at 12:49 pm
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(October 15, 2014 at 12:46 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: (October 15, 2014 at 12:44 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Why does it depend on the law? The laws aren't eternal and absolute?
Yea they are but Jesus offers forgiveness from your sins if not you will still be punished.
If he offers forgiveness for homosexuality (according to you), why does he not offer forgiveness for gay marriage? And if he does, then why are you against something that will just be forgiven?
You're using the old testament to justify being against something -gay marriage- by stating that we need to follow that law.
You're NOT against another thing -gay sex-, even though the Old Testament has a law regarding that too. You say Jesus forgives that, and so you are not against that.
Jesus would (I assume) also forgive gay marriage, so how are you against it?
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October 15, 2014 at 12:50 pm
Should divorce be illegal?
Malta was late to legalise it which surprised me at first
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RE: Gay rights within the template of religion proves flaws in "religion"
October 15, 2014 at 12:50 pm
(October 15, 2014 at 12:46 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: (October 15, 2014 at 12:38 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: First of all Matthew did meet Jesus he was one of his apostles.
What I was saying about my quote was that there are pretty clear standards of what a marriage is, between man and woman, if you don't see this you haven't read my quote.
Finally the quote Jesus said was actually a quote from the old testament Genesis 22-24" For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh."
Newsflash, C4RM5: Most of us here don't really give a flying fuck what Jesus' opinion was on marriage.
As for Jesus' alleged disciple, Matthew, actually being the author of the Gospel traditionally attributed to him, please see the meaning of the phrase 'traditionally attributed'. He wrote that Gospel the same way "Moses" wrote the Torah -- i.e., he didn't, though a lot of simpletons like you haven't caught up with the past 200+ years of Biblical scholarship. Time to join the 21st Century, son.
And please answer Esquilax's question. What are believers to do with gays according to your holy book (and why do you lack such faith that you don't follow your god's command)?
Can I say FatandFaithless didn't say Matthew didn't write the Gospel book, he said Matthew didn't meet Jesus.
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RE: Gay rights within the template of religion proves flaws in "religion"
October 15, 2014 at 12:51 pm
(October 15, 2014 at 12:48 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: Why can't you just go back a few pages to see what my answer was cause I know you are asking me the same questions so you can insult me because that is what some people here like to do.
If I really wanted to insult your intelligence, I'd call you a Christian.
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