To explain knowledge of God

[vorlon13]

I don't have an answer for you guys.

My only thought is if any one involved in Mormonism prays that, they will begin to leave it or detour away from it.

Isn't it possible that you simply haven't prayed in the right way, so you're deceived by your ideas when really the Mormon god is the real one? I'm sure many Mormons would say the same about you: that they if you honestly sought god you would leave your religion or detour away from it.
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If you inadvertently convert someone to Mormonism, I am going to have a big hissy fit.

[professor]

DQ, true Christians are those who have hung their future on what God did through Jesus for them (in their place) and NOT on what they can do for God.
The above is the shortest description I can make of it.

[Drich]

I did a thread of this once before. If your 'beliefs' do not relfect the God of the bible not what he has put together for us then what would make you think He would support your broken understanding of Him? If He supported your Broken understanding then He would only have verified the mistakes in theology you have. Sending you further away from who He actually is and closer to who you think God to be.

I am not picking on any one church, but if you look at Christianity as a whole there is one 'main stream group' who has played this senerio out. They have a series of head preists who get to rewrite the bible in their various decrees. now if you take the bible and read it and compare it to this particular religion' core beliefs you will find that some of their core doctrines are not only not in the bible what is in the bible flat our goes against what they say do. Now imagine if God supported them with miricals and all the trim and lace most of you look for (signs and wonders) This would only throw gasoline on the fire and they would freighttrain themselves away from God.

As it is God does not support those who do not know Him as He does for those who do. If you are not being supported, it does not mean God does not exist. It means your specific version of God does not exist. That is why we are told to KNOCK/Persist. Because depending on how hard we want to hold on to our personal version of God will determine on how long we will be knocking.

I don't remember this in Luke 11. Where did you get this from?

"The thread I did once before."

ThE bit about God not supporting ones broken understanding of Him was derived from Christ's parable of the wise and foolish builders, and what Paul said in 1cor 3 9-the end of the chapter.

God does not support religion/houses built on any foundation other than Jesus Christ. Meaning if you do not have an accurate picture of Christ when you build your religious works/faith all that you will accomplish will be destroyed, either as jesus says in the trials of this life or like Paul says in the final judgement.

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When you all earnestly ask on faulty foundations, God sends doubt to topple what you have built so when it falls over you will see your foundation is not valid. But rather than keep knocking, so many of you assume that God must not exist, rather than you have built in earnest on a fault foundation.

[Jenny A]

God does not support religion/houses built on any foundation other than Jesus Christ. Meaning if you do not have an accurate picture of Christ when you build your religious works/faith all that you will accomplish will be destroyed, either as jesus says in the trials of this life or like Paul says in the final judgement.

Indeed and according to the Mormons the Bible is only the word of god insofar as it is properly transcribed and translated. But the Book of Mormon was translated through god and is therefore the perfect representation of the word of god. If you want an accurate picture of Christ, you must read the Book of Mormon.

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Isn't it possible that you simply haven't prayed in the right way, so you're deceived by your ideas when really the Mormon god is the real one? I'm sure many Mormons would say the same about you: that they if you honestly sought god you would leave your religion or detour away from it.
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If you inadvertently convert someone to Mormonism, I am going to have a big hissy fit.

Don't worry, I don't seem to be making much headway. But tell me, does it matter whether they're plain vanilla christian or Mormon?

[vorlon13]

Mormon is especially disordered, Joe Smith being almost infinitely talentless.

[The Grand Nudger]

"God sends doubt"...lol, now he's in my head thinking for me as well, pulling my strings like a fucking puppet? What a dick. Every time you open your mouth about god, Drich...you push me further away from him. Think about it. Your picture of christ is essentially the full embodiment of why I wouldn't be able to stomach being a christian even if it weren't a crock of shit.

[Aoi Magi]

When you all earnestly ask on faulty foundations, God sends doubt to topple what you have built so when it falls over you will see your foundation is not valid.

Absolutely Drich, and the atheists ARE that "doubt" sent to topple your faulty foundations.

Also this is the same reason that foundations of Mormonism has not been toppled, or Hinduism, or Buddhism, or Muslims, or..... Because they are absolutely correct, right?

[Zidneya]

Many asked me how I could possibly have knowledge of God's existence and the answer is the NT teaches this

And you can verify that the NT isn't lying because? And what about the old testament? Why is one testament more true that the other? Also since the new testament is based and claims that the old is true and according to you you don't trust the old isn't that a paradox?

Our faith is in the hope that God/quote]
Faith? Hope? I'm sorry didn't you just said that you knew for sure? Why would you need faith if you already have the knowledge?
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I trust that He is not a liar and so far His record holds true.

Record? What record? Since by discarding the old testament which is the origin of the record itself.

Also about God doesn't lie:
1 Kings 22:23
Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
2 Chronicles 18:22
Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
Jeremiah 4:10
Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jeremiah 20:7
O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.
Ezekiel 14:9
And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
The last one is from the NT.

Read the NT and find these simple facts,

And you know that these are facts instead of lies because?

they are there if you have the courage to look and are as open minded as you claim, which I have my doubts about the open mindedness.

So open minded is accepting what a books says even when pretty much every other book that we know has fact says the opposite? According to you what is the difference between openminded and brainwash I'm curious.

[Foxaèr]

Knowledge of god only extends so far as knowledge in any unsubstantiated myth is allowed to hold sway over the gullible and ignorant.

Having knowledge of god is the same as having knowledge of the boogeyman; the knowledge is merely a haunting belief not based in reality.

[Mystical]

Copy pasta from previous page:

Drich says A/S/K, but the bible says seek and ye shall find. Lets just assume ONE of us, at least, knocked correctly, repeatedly, with all the prerequisites Drich has outlined as the 'correct method'. Does he just not have an answer for those people, as to why they sought and did not find?

Drrrrichh, can you explain? The bible says seek ye first the kingdom of god and his righteousness and you will find it, knock and the door shall be opened unto you, hallelu halleluiahhh.

It doesn't say, 'knock over and over and maybe god will open it for you if you did it right.'