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RE: Taste really can be good or bad
October 17, 2014 at 10:00 am
(This post was last modified: October 17, 2014 at 10:01 am by Thumpalumpacus.)
The thing about music is that it is as much communication as it is artform.
What that means is that no matter how aesthetically pleasing, or hideous, a particular song is, if it communicates to the listener in their own emotional language about their feelings at the moment, it is doing its job. Kids like Justin Beiber or whomever because those songs speak to their concerns ... the same reason I like Soundgarden or John Coltrane -- the music speaks to me, in a language I get, about matters that are important to me.
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RE: Taste really can be good or bad
October 17, 2014 at 10:20 am
(October 16, 2014 at 6:22 pm)DramaQueen Wrote: Just ignore him
Or maybe you could ignore the thread? 
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RE: Taste really can be good or bad
October 17, 2014 at 1:21 pm
(October 16, 2014 at 2:15 pm)MusicLovingAtheist Wrote: So you think it's okay that people listen to shitty music. You declaring someone's music "shitty" doesn't make it shit.
They can say the same thing about your music.
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RE: Taste really can be good or bad
October 17, 2014 at 10:13 pm
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(October 17, 2014 at 1:21 pm)LostLocke Wrote: (October 16, 2014 at 2:15 pm)MusicLovingAtheist Wrote: So you think it's okay that people listen to shitty music. You declaring someone's music "shitty" doesn't make it shit.
They can say the same thing about your music.
Exactly, and it's not just because taste is subjective, it's because experience is subjective.
When I was a kid, I loved Kiss. The makeup, the fire-breathing, the lyrics about having a good time, it was what I was capable of getting at that time. It spoke to me, the simplicity of the music didn't ask me to ponder Beethoven or Brahms, the lyrics occasionally perplexed me (what was a rocket doing in his pocket? I had no clue), but I knew what "rock and roll all night, and party every day" meant.
From an aesthete's view -- having studied classical and jazz guitar, as well as played bars for a couple of decades, as well as discovered other musics from around the world -- from the aesthetic standpoint, I know that Kiss is shitty music.
But when I hear their music, it takes me back to a time when the world was simpler, mainly because I was simpler, and the jazz snob in me can relax and say, "hey, at least it got your dumb ass to playing the guitar, you mook."
What we define as good music is that music which speaks to us, about the things which move us.
That means that the concept of "good music" is necessarily subjective.
Now, that is a different kettle of fish than "technically innovative", "artistically unique", or "impressive" ... those categories overlap, to be sure, but like a Venn diagram, with non-congruent sections all around the overlap. And that's a good thing.
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RE: Taste really can be good or bad
October 19, 2014 at 2:42 pm
I think they should do tests on people who listen to their favorite music and compare it to the brainwaves of other people who listen to the same music to see who's brainwaves show a higher amount of thought. That would finally expose which music is for simpletons and which ones are for real music listeners and not just the people who listen to music so they don't have silence. You even hear people say it themselves when the radio is on "it's the radio, who cares?" They obviously don't care about music. I think this issue should be addressed and given proper attention and then maybe once we expose artists for being insipid mind numbing crap we can having a more musically rich society.
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RE: Taste really can be good or bad
October 19, 2014 at 2:44 pm
Why is any of this important or significant in any way? If someone doesn't really care about music, they have that right.
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RE: Taste really can be good or bad
October 19, 2014 at 2:50 pm
(October 19, 2014 at 2:44 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Why is any of this important or significant in any way? If someone doesn't really care about music, they have that right. They shouldn't have the right to not be exposed for the simpletons that they are.
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RE: Taste really can be good or bad
October 19, 2014 at 3:30 pm
I think stupid people should only be shamed when they actually do something stupid.
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RE: Taste really can be good or bad
October 19, 2014 at 4:00 pm
Mla, are you a fascist?
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RE: Taste really can be good or bad
October 19, 2014 at 5:00 pm
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(October 19, 2014 at 2:50 pm)MusicLovingAtheist Wrote: (October 19, 2014 at 2:44 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Why is any of this important or significant in any way? If someone doesn't really care about music, they have that right. They shouldn't have the right to not be exposed for the simpletons that they are.
What an ignorant, immature twerp you are.
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