Two Street Preachers Shot

[theVOID]

I most certainly did not blame Minimalist for the current public's perception of atheism, but he does contribute to the negative reputation we get with ignorant comments like the ones in this thread.

But, Zhal, I don't care what you think, either. I am tired of these religious nutjobs who show up on atheist sites demanding respect for their superstitions and inherently insisting that we treat them differently than they treat us. Fuck 'em. I have found that they do not handle outright scorn for their beliefs very well and that is all they deserve.


What are they going to do? Run back to their churches and whine "an atheist was mean to me." Who cares?

You know that many of us here actually like having Christians on these board to discuss with? Calling them a "Jesus-freak asshole" doesn't do anything but create hostility that's completely unnecessary and discourages them from coming here at all.

You don't have to respect a thing they say, but sinking to lowly personal insults makes you look just as bad.

[Autumnlicious]

You know that many of us here actually like having Christians on these board to discuss with? Calling them a "Jesus-freak asshole" doesn't do anything but create hostility that's completely unnecessary and discourages them from coming here at all.

You don't have to respect a thing they say, but sinking to lowly personal insults makes you look just as bad.

For the most part, I dislike incredibly so the premise of posting a specific news article over to moronic preachers who chose to throw themselves into an unsafe environment and then got a cap popped in their asses. I dislike the premise that these folks are glaring exceptions in the regular news, whereas some average person in that area will be murdered heinously yet they most likely won't be reported or made an issue of.

I dislike the premise that just because you serve some faith and push it onto others, you deserve special mention for doing an unsafe activity and special consideration.

Also, in the field of Christians on this site, my favorite is tackattack and fr0d0. Neither demand as much special consideration as a few others do. And at least both are willing to take vitriol in good stride, something that I deeply find appreciable.

[theVOID]

I most certainly did not blame Minimalist for the current public's perception of atheism, but he does contribute to the negative reputation we get with ignorant comments like the ones in this thread.

But, Zhal, I don't care what you think, either. I am tired of these religious nutjobs who show up on atheist sites demanding respect for their superstitions and inherently insisting that we treat them differently than they treat us. Fuck 'em. I have found that they do not handle outright scorn for their beliefs very well and that is all they deserve.


What are they going to do? Run back to their churches and whine "an atheist was mean to me." Who cares?

Why do you like to help fulfill Bible prophecy which says men will get more wicked in the Last Days?

Lol that's just retarded. That's what you consider prophesy? You get insulted (albeit unfairly) on a forum and that confirms a vague ambiguous prophesy about men becoming more wicked? There have been far more wicked acts than that committed by man since the dawn of our species, an insult on a forum completely fails to be "more wicked", it's about as benign as you can imagine something 'wicked' being.

[Purple Rabbit]

That doesn't invalidate what I've said, however it does "make" me look like something I may not be. That lends credence to my argument that such vapid statements only serve to distract from the ideas at hand. Challenge the thought, not the insults, as insults are merely an irrational outgrowth of another's opinion.

That's the theory alright. But it's not clear to me why we should regard atheists as a coherent group of like minded who need to comply to peer-pressured moral standards as Zhal suggests. Atheism is not a complete worldview.

[theVOID]

You know that many of us here actually like having Christians on these board to discuss with? Calling them a "Jesus-freak asshole" doesn't do anything but create hostility that's completely unnecessary and discourages them from coming here at all.

You don't have to respect a thing they say, but sinking to lowly personal insults makes you look just as bad.

For the most part, I dislike incredibly so the premise of posting a specific news article over to moronic preachers who chose to throw themselves into an unsafe environment and then got a cap popped in their asses.

Chose to throw themselves into an unsafe environment? That's idiotic, they were preaching on a corner and were gunned down, how is that any less tragic than any individual being gunned down on a street corner?

I dislike the premise that these folks are glaring exceptions in the regular news, whereas some average person in that area will be murdered heinously yet they most likely won't be reported or made an issue of

It's a murder that is rather rare in nature that was reported in a local news article, how is this any different from any other unusual crime being reported?

I dislike the premise that just because you serve some faith and push it onto others, you deserve special mention for doing an unsafe activity and special consideration.

I don't know how you consider preaching unsafe, it's irritating sure, but so is the guy shouting out trying to sell newspapers on the corner, is that an unsafe job too? If that's the case then you might as well consider every job unsafe because there is always the chance that someone will unload a few rounds into you while you do it.

They didn't get "Special" consideration either, it's not like it was a major national news source reporting an isolated drive by in a small community, it was a local news source reporting a local event. It got in the news because while there are a lot of murders it is fairly rare for preachers to be shot down on a street corner.

Also, in the field of Christians on this site, my favorite is tackattack and fr0d0. Neither demand as much special consideration as a few others do. And at least both are willing to take vitriol in good stride, something that I deeply find appreciable.

Exactly what special consideration are you taking about?

And yeah i agree about Tackattack being awesome, Fr0d0 is a bit of a weasel and Rjh4 can be a little dense at times but at least they all put effort into discussion and are fun to talk with (Fr0d0 less so than the other two).

[fr0d0]

You have a personal beef with me at the moment VOID because you don't understand what I'm saying. To address this your method is to try to insult me wherever possible, like the signature and negative rep, which is even against forum rules. It seems I currently own you by your own actions.

[theVOID]

Aww fr0d0's little feewings are hurt...

1) You started the current chain of insults by repeatedly calling me your bitch, now you're the one who's upset about it? Aww, Too bad.

2) The "non verifiable clause" is far too hilarious to remove from my signature. It really is rare to find a quote that is so unintentionally funny.

3) You got neg repped for being intellectually dishonest, flip flopping on whether or not there is evidence for God's existence but never admitting it, dodging questions etc etc. There is nothing at all in the rules preventing me from doing that.

4) I try and insult you as infrequently as possible, at times i just get too frustrated with your consistent dodging of questions.

5) I do understand what you are saying, or rather what you are asserting, and whenever i try and understand the reasoning behind your assertions i get a barrage of spin where an answer should be.

I get the feeling that you consider yourself a much deeper thinker than you actually are, in reality whenever one attempts to get below the surface of your theology they find hot air. You have no foundations for your belief at all, no logical necessity, no weighing of evidence, just blind irrational faith in an ancient concept. You don't even seem to care at all whether or not what you believe is true.

[fr0d0]

1) I'm not upset VOID. You are my bitch, this is self evident and propagated by you.

2) No problem at all with you using my quote. Yet again, it singles out your idiocy. You're good at doing that.

3) It was stated the last time there was a rep fight that the rep system wasn't to be used for scoring points. You don't understand and in your frustration use this as you've run out of ideas. Yet again you make yourself look a pratt.

4) For a short period after your 'frustration' you did nothing BUT insult in every post to me. I said concisely my position and you couldn't deal with that - that's the real issue here.

5) If you resort to insult you're not going to get what you want. If you refuse to listen to an answer, and come back with the same tired angle, all I can do is try to explain. If your retort to every lost argument is to field unanswerable questions then sure, you're going to pretend I'm dodging.

And there in your summation is your ignorance paraded. You refuse to consider theology and demand to understand this through scientific testing principle. No matter how many times you're told this, you still go down the dead end thinking it's not a dead end. Maybe one day the revelation will occur to you that you're using the wrong methodology. Until then, please release yourself. You don't have to be my bitch.

[Edwardo Piet]

Theology has to evidence itself as something that has any genuine knowledge at all before it is to be given any credit.

If I created my own religion and inserted an 'ology' suffix on it for the name of the study of it tomorrow... it would mean absolutely nothing until I had provided any evidence for the truth of any the claims I made about it.

EvF

[fr0d0]

I think you'd call it 'EvidenceOlogy' Evie. THEN we'd see the true depiction of bollocks.