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I was lost but now Im found
#81
RE: I was lost but now Im found
@Exian: I did think we were on the same side of the street so I was surprised at what I took to be your serious post. It'll take my dull brain a while to really start recognizing people. Thanks for the response.
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#82
RE: I was lost but now Im found
(December 11, 2014 at 10:31 pm)tonyintheLight Wrote: (Matt 18:11)For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

Im a born again Christian and whilst I expect there to be some hostility towards my faith, it is our duty to spread the word of God to as many people who will listen.

Im a creationist and reject the evolutionary 'theory' as being a hoax.

Any questions you may have regarding Jesus Christ and the faith of Christianity, Id be happy to answer.

Don't bother, we likely know far more than you about Jesus. We also have a higher chance at converting you out of your man-made hell. It's hard to tell a child that Santa is real after he's grown out of it. If they do then they are really really in need of help, but we can possibly assist you if you stick around and keep your ears open.
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#83
RE: I was lost but now Im found
@OP: if god is omniscient, how can we have free will? If he already knows the path we're gonna pick, why give us the illusion of choice?
"Every luxury has a deep price. Every indulgence, a cosmic cost. Each fiber of pleasure you experience causes equivalent pain somewhere else. This is the first law of emodynamics [sic]. Joy can be neither created nor destroyed. The balance of happiness is constant.

Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.

Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.

Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder.

Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."
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#84
RE: I was lost but now Im found
Hi, welcome. I won't be hostile towards you unless you give me a reason to. I will ridicule your religion though, because it is ridiculous, but that's not personal. I do it to all religions.

Evolution is fact, it is not a hoax. Of course religion hates evolution and has tried it's best to discredit it with propaganda. But there's no debate, it's been proven time and again. If you want to disagree with any validity, you'll need to first study it in depth. It's too complex to just dismiss with a wave if the hand.

I know plenty about the bible, including objective facts and it's reliability. Which is next to nil. I'm happy to explain why.

I'm happy to discuss religion, but if you pre suppose the bible is true and God exists, there's nothing to discuss except why you think it's justified to pre suppose those things.

We can all be pretty certain you were indoctrinated as a child, and that is the real reason you believe these things without question. It was forced into your head when you were too young to evaluate it properly, which amounts to child abuse. Now it's so ingrained you can't distinguish it from actual reality. Apologies if this was not the case.

Again this isn't a personal attack, it's a story we've seen a million times. I feel very sorry that it was done to you as it was done to so many others. I don't know if you'll ever be able to break that programming and critically examine your beliefs, but if you have any interest in honest debate then there's some hope. Until then, conversation just revolves around making up justifications for an already held belief and goes no where.

Anyhow, welcome and I hope you find something of value here Smile
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#85
RE: I was lost but now Im found
(December 11, 2014 at 10:52 pm)tonyintheLight Wrote: The evidence of God is to be found in the Holy Bible. Its infallible, inspired by God and without error. The prophetic word is evidence alone of the truth of Gods word.

Its never been proven wrong BTW.

POE, and not a very good one.
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#86
RE: I was lost but now Im found
Yeah, probably.

What is the point of these poe's? Is it atheists trying to make theists look bad? They really don't need any help. Ouch, sorry that was a low blow :p
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#87
RE: I was lost but now Im found
(December 12, 2014 at 12:27 am)tonyintheLight Wrote: Ive already mentioned in previous posts. I dont believe something can be created out of nothing.
Which is fine, because evolution has nothing to do with origin.
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#88
RE: I was lost but now Im found
(December 11, 2014 at 10:47 pm)tonyintheLight Wrote: Ive been clean for almost 2 years
Looks like it might take a bit longer for the shit to leave your system, then.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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#89
RE: I was lost but now Im found
(December 12, 2014 at 12:27 am)tonyintheLight Wrote: Ive already mentioned in previous posts. I dont believe something can be created out of nothing. All things point back to a divine creator.

I'm sure you make an exception for your creator, or else he would have to have found the material laying around with which to make the Universe.

Also, you know your next question will be "Who made your creator?" And I know your answer will be that he didn't need creating because he has always been, so I'm just going to leave this here as my reply-in-advance.

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#90
RE: I was lost but now Im found
(December 12, 2014 at 10:57 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: [Image: sig_occam.gif]

Super cool gif!
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god.  If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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