How do christians view apostasy

[vorlon13]

And all an apostate has to say is "I believe in Jesus Christ" and suddenly, they are Saved again.

But what happens to the gullible christer that heard the apostasy and fell for it ?


I've never heard much of an explanation as to how someone who had sincerely accepted Jesus in the first place could be an apostate, but I suppose there will be someone along here to clarify that.

[professor]

Wow Vor, I don't know about the percentages you quoted but did you tape record one of our guys?

As for Whatever's question, (great question by the way)- we are supposed to be "Led" by the Spirit.
Which to me, is not a shot-gun approach to speaking to people about spiritual things.

Paul said - some plant- some water- God gets the increase.

For my own family- I comitt them to God.
I do the committing and the results I leave at God's doorstep.

In my wife's family, there are hard core Catholics.
I have left off any spiritual conversation with them, rather than arguments.
We get along fine.
Their eyes will be opened soon enough.
My wife was the first one of their kids to leave Catholicism, when she came to the truth- she said,
"Now Lord, get the rest of them". And at this point there is only 2 staunch ones left.
They see the fruit in the lives of the ones who left and have acclimated themselves to the fact they are not coming back.
6 out of 8 isn't bad.

I am not discouraged at all by the falling away, the tsunami that is coming will more than reverse it.
That's why the end of the age is called the Harvest.

[vorlon13]

I can't record Pat Robertson, Joyce Meyers, Creflo Dollar, Hagee, Impe, Swaggart or the Bakkers without gagging.

[Whateverist]

I am not discouraged at all by the falling away, the tsunami that is coming will more than reverse it.
That's why the end of the age is called the Harvest.

[dyresand]

I am not discouraged at all by the falling away, the tsunami that is coming will more than reverse it.
That's why the end of the age is called the Harvest.

There you go

[Whateverist]

Thanks, that really helped.

[professor]

Interesting.
I had a cup of the stuff this morning - first time in ages.
Had to go do some miles on my bike to wear it off-
34 degrees and windy in Buffalo but it was worth the effort.
It wore off a little, still feel supercharged though.

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Just wondered, So Whateverist is 62?
I'm 68, is anyone older than that here or am I "It"?

[Whateverist]

Sounds like you're keeping in shape, prof. Way to go.

[Godscreated]

I did not answer the OP because I could add nothing to what Professor stated.

GC

Except whether or not you shared the sentiment. Not so sure you do. Seems like you feel more compelled to press for resolution than the prof does.

I wonder if either of you could say how you balance the onus to spread the word with the recognition that even members of your own family may come to a different conclusion regarding gods than you do.

Sounds like I'm fishing for the old homily about seeking the strength to change what you can and accept what you can't. How well do you feel you do about recognizing the difference?

I have a brother that's an atheist, a cousin that's indifferent and her brother I'm not sure, don't see him once every ten years. The rest of my family are Christians and most live like they are. From my mom right through to several great nieces and nephews, I'm quite proud of my family.
My feeling about those who fall away, well here I am at a site full of those who have. I hope and I do pray that each one here will return or come to faith in Christ, I do realize that not everyone will and maybe no one will but, it doesn't keep me from witnessing what I know is the reality of the matter. I know a few here think I'm trying to push my beliefs on others, however if one reads my post I think they will realize I know that God does the work of conviction and salvation and I no amount of pressing will make a difference. Some here think I'm condemning people to hell, not so, I respond to the things about hell ie., the reasons people go to hell from scripture, what I believe hell is, but no one here can say I've directly said they will be in hell. I have said that some here would wind up there if they do not change, according to scripture, not according to me.

GC

[dyresand]

Except whether or not you shared the sentiment. Not so sure you do. Seems like you feel more compelled to press for resolution than the prof does.

I wonder if either of you could say how you balance the onus to spread the word with the recognition that even members of your own family may come to a different conclusion regarding gods than you do.

Sounds like I'm fishing for the old homily about seeking the strength to change what you can and accept what you can't. How well do you feel you do about recognizing the difference?

I have a brother that's an atheist, a cousin that's indifferent and her brother I'm not sure, don't see him once every ten years. The rest of my family are Christians and most live like they are. From my mom right through to several great nieces and nephews, I'm quite proud of my family.
My feeling about those who fall away, well here I am at a site full of those who have. I hope and I do pray that each one here will return or come to faith in Christ, I do realize that not everyone will and maybe no one will but, it doesn't keep me from witnessing what I know is the reality of the matter. I know a few here think I'm trying to push my beliefs on others, however if one reads my post I think they will realize I know that God does the work of conviction and salvation and I no amount of pressing will make a difference. Some here think I'm condemning people to hell, not so, I respond to the things about hell ie., the reasons people go to hell from scripture, what I believe hell is, but no one here can say I've directly said they will be in hell. I have said that some here would wind up there if they do not change, according to scripture, not according to me.

GC

Why should i have blind faith i mean look at what people do when they have it. Christians with blind faith spread their belief by the sword and shield those who did not conform died. i mean blind faith look at what people do with it slavery and all the horrible things in the world and the things people do they do such things then ask for forgiveness. not to mention god forgives and forgives and forgives but he his forgiveness is exploitable.