How do christians view apostasy

[professor]

Dyre, the spread of Christianity by the sword was in direct opposition to God and God is not fooled.
The tyrants are still here, hiding behind purple and gold.
There has been no repentance from them- there will be no forgiveness to them.
God is not mocked, neither is God stupid or forgetful.
They can call themselves Christian all they want. Liars they are-every one of them.

[StealthySkeptic]

There is a difference between having a knowledge of God and knowing God.

Indeed. If the Bible is to be used as a literary guide, knowing God would require you to have sex with him.

Well, I'll stay an atheist then, thank you very much.

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Dyre, the spread of Christianity by the sword was in direct opposition to God and God is not fooled.
The tyrants are still here, hiding behind purple and gold.
There has been no repentance from them- there will be no forgiveness to them.
God is not mocked, neither is God stupid or forgetful.
They can call themselves Christian all they want. Liars they are-every one of them.

How convenient for you that nothing that people do in the name of your religion against "unbelievers" is ever even indirectly linked to passages such as:

But the children of the kingdom [Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. - Matt 8:12
Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. - Matt 25:41
Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace but a sword. - Matt 10:34
But Jesus said unto him [a disciple whose father just died] , Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead. - Matt 8:22
I have come to bring fire to the earth. And how I wish it were blazing already! - Luke 12:49
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? - Matt 23:33
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. - Matt 13:42
So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. - Matt 13:50
For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. - Matt 15:4
Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. - Matt 22:13
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. - Matt 24:37
The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. - Matt 24:51
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. - Matt 25:30
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. - Luke 12:5
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. - Luke 14:26
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. - Luke 19:27 (!!!)
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. - John 3:36
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. - John 15:6

I could've sworn those goalposts moved from where they were a minute ago.

[professor]

SS, the scripture you show is what Jesus will do when He come back.
None of it pertains to the time prior to the 2nd Coming.

[Tonus]

The tyrants are still here, hiding behind purple and gold.

Kobe Bryant?

[Spooky]

The tyrants are still here, hiding behind purple and gold.

Kobe Bryant?

You made me choke on my scotch. Well done sir.

[StealthySkeptic]

SS, the scripture you show is what Jesus will do when He come back.
None of it pertains to the time prior to the 2nd Coming.

Hasn't stopped people from treating non Christians like second class citizens. Or are you going to pretend for a second that prohibiting Christians from marrying non-believers isn't a part of early Christian religion, dictated by St. Paul? You could also pretend that the horrific, backwards doctrine of eternal hell didn't spur people on to convert people by the sword.

[Minimalist]

SS, the scripture you show is what Jesus will do when He come back.
None of it pertains to the time prior to the 2nd Coming.

You've yet to demonstrate that the fucker was here the first time.

[Godscreated]

SS, the scripture you show is what Jesus will do when He come back.
None of it pertains to the time prior to the 2nd Coming.

Hasn't stopped people from treating non Christians like second class citizens. Or are you going to pretend for a second that prohibiting Christians from marrying non-believers isn't a part of early Christian religion, dictated by St. Paul?

That's not true Paul urged Christians not to marry unbelievers so they would not have to go through tougher times than marriage can be. He also didn't want Satan to have a person that close working to draw them away from Christ.

GC

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I've never heard much of an explanation as to how someone who had sincerely accepted Jesus in the first place could be an apostate, but I suppose there will be someone along here to clarify that.

Here I am , God did not take away a person's free will when they were saved, they were saved in their free will and they can give up their salvation in free will. Some give it up believing they will always be saved, because of one thing bad doctrine. Scriptures never say one will always keep their salvation no matter what, it's actually clear that this is what can happen.
As for someone coming back to God, saying "I believe in Jesus," is no more valid than if someone says it for the first time and they do not have a repentant heart when they say "I believe in Jesus."

GC

[StealthySkeptic]

Hasn't stopped people from treating non Christians like second class citizens. Or are you going to pretend for a second that prohibiting Christians from marrying non-believers isn't a part of early Christian religion, dictated by St. Paul?

That's not true Paul urged Christians not to marry unbelievers so they would not have to go through tougher times than marriage can be. He also didn't want Satan to have a person that close working to draw them away from Christ.

GC

Pressuring in that manner, because of an imaginary fear of an imaginary adversary that would never in a million years actually go up against an omnipotent deity, is pretty much the way that interfaith marriage, which is proven to increase religious tolerance and reduce religiously inspired violence in an area, was treated as a bad idea, thereby basically prohibited in practice by the society. Sure, it can be bad if both people are hardcore about their religion, but...egads, maybe agreeing to disagree for the happiness of the couple and allowing kids from said marriage to have choices other than blatant indoctrination is much more important than cowing before an ancient text!

hock:

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Hasn't stopped people from treating non Christians like second class citizens. Or are you going to pretend for a second that prohibiting Christians from marrying non-believers isn't a part of early Christian religion, dictated by St. Paul?

That's not true Paul urged Christians not to marry unbelievers so they would not have to go through tougher times than marriage can be. He also didn't want Satan to have a person that close working to draw them away from Christ.

GC

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I've never heard much of an explanation as to how someone who had sincerely accepted Jesus in the first place could be an apostate, but I suppose there will be someone along here to clarify that.

Here I am , God did not take away a person's free will when they were saved, they were saved in their free will and they can give up their salvation in free will. Some give it up believing they will always be saved, because of one thing bad doctrine. Scriptures never say one will always keep their salvation no matter what, it's actually clear that this is what can happen.
As for someone coming back to God, saying "I believe in Jesus," is no more valid than if someone says it for the first time and they do not have a repentant heart when they say "I believe in Jesus."

GC

Once again, how convenient for your religion. Obviously if you acknowledged that people who were sincerely Christian but then left were...actually sincerely Christian before they left, then logically Christianity might not magically be the solution for everything somehow.

So ignore that pesky logic and keep on bowing by sticking to the No True Christian fallacy! Demeaning the experiences of ex-Christians since 33 AD!

[Godscreated]