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RE: To The Christians...What Denomination Are You?
December 18, 2014 at 5:53 am
(December 17, 2014 at 9:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: Calvinist do that also, they believe only God knows who He has preordained to be saved, so they still get out the word, God does work in mysterious ways.
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I never understood the point to Calvinism. If god has already preordained who's to be saved, then why bother?
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RE: To The Christians...What Denomination Are You?
December 18, 2014 at 7:09 am
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(December 18, 2014 at 5:53 am)abaris Wrote: I never understood the point to Calvinism. If god has already preordained who's to be saved, then why bother?
More to the point, if he preordained those to be saved why bother letting my mum give birth to me?
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RE: To The Christians...What Denomination Are You?
December 18, 2014 at 8:34 am
(December 17, 2014 at 10:34 am)Nope Wrote: Thread titles are difficult to create so hopefully mine made sense.
When I lurked on other boards, it seemed as if the majority of the Christians who wanted to debate atheists were some sort of Calvinist.
If you are religious, what church or religious group do you belong?
If you don't attend church, which church do you most agree with its theological stance?
My guess is that Godschild and Drich(Dirch?) are Calvinists but I might be wrong.
I have no idea what the Professor is. Chadwooter has told us what type he is but I can't remember. Is Heywood a Christian?
So which one is with the People's Front of Judea?
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RE: To The Christians...What Denomination Are You?
December 18, 2014 at 8:48 am
(December 18, 2014 at 7:09 am)TubbyTubby Wrote: More to the point, if he preordained those to be saved why bother letting my mum give birth to me?
Because he's a prick. I thought we already covered that part.
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RE: To The Christians...What Denomination Are You?
December 18, 2014 at 8:54 am
All of you are predestined.
You get to choose to walk in it or not.
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RE: To The Christians...What Denomination Are You?
December 18, 2014 at 8:57 am
(December 18, 2014 at 8:54 am)professor Wrote: All of you are predestined.
You get to choose to walk in it or not.
So we're actually not predestined at all.
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RE: To The Christians...What Denomination Are You?
December 18, 2014 at 9:04 am
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I've noticed Christians on forums never want to share anything concrete about their religious beliefs past or present. It makes me wonder if their practice of Christianity is mostly limited to role playing on the internet. Maybe preaching on forums is their primary means of feeling Christian? I don't understand why Christians never want to say specifically what they believe. They always say they aren't religious and so forth. Probably they keep their specific beliefs nebulous so nobody can criticize them.
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RE: To The Christians...What Denomination Are You?
December 18, 2014 at 9:43 am
(December 18, 2014 at 8:54 am)professor Wrote: All of you are predestined.
You get to choose to walk in it or not. I chose to "walk in it" for a while, then I looked down and realize what I was stepping in and made a different choice.
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RE: To The Christians...What Denomination Are You?
December 18, 2014 at 9:49 am
(December 18, 2014 at 8:54 am)professor Wrote: All of you are predestined.
You get to choose to walk in it or not.
You mean it's more like a personalized recommendation?
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: To The Christians...What Denomination Are You?
December 18, 2014 at 9:52 am
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(December 18, 2014 at 5:53 am)abaris Wrote: (December 17, 2014 at 9:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: Calvinist do that also, they believe only God knows who He has preordained to be saved, so they still get out the word, God does work in mysterious ways.
GC
I never understood the point to Calvinism. If god has already preordained who's to be saved, then why bother?
That concept is Paulinian in nature, John Calvin simply pointed back to it.
So why bother?
Because 'we' don't know who has been called and who has not. Look at the example of Paul/Saul of Tarsus. He started out life Hating Christians, and ended up being one of the Founding Fathers of the Church.
This mean just because one maybe at odds with God now, does not mean God has not called them home.. That said not all are called come.
So again why bother? Because 'we'/none of us Christian or not know who has or has not been called home.
(December 18, 2014 at 7:09 am)TubbyTubby Wrote: (December 18, 2014 at 5:53 am)abaris Wrote: I never understood the point to Calvinism. If god has already preordained who's to be saved, then why bother?
More to the point, if he preordained those to be saved why bother letting my mum give birth to me?
How do you know you haven't been pre-ordained to be saved?
(December 18, 2014 at 9:04 am)watchamadoodle Wrote: I've noticed Christians on forums never want to share anything concrete about their religious beliefs past or present. It makes me wonder if their practice of Christianity is mostly limited to role playing on the internet. Maybe preaching on forums is their primary means of feeling Christian? I don't understand why Christians never want to say specifically what they believe. They always say they aren't religious and so forth. Probably they keep their specific beliefs nebulous so nobody can criticize them.
See the above comments and do your worst.
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