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Worst Arguments For Christianity
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 (January 22, 2015 at 4:44 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: I think *free will* card is the worst. Free will is all any of us have that we can call our very own, it leads each to a different life, a life all our own, different from all others. Quote:They never answer when you ask whose free will? Consider this an answer, yours all yours. Quote:The rapist? Yes imposing it on the weaker people, remember rape is more about power than sex, the sex is to humiliate. Quote:The poor child being raped? This child has free will also, unfortunately they can't defend themselves from the evil in the world, that's for the stronger and morally right to do. Quote:Or gods for just watching? God's will cost Him a terrible price but, it was one He was willing to pay and paid it for all mankind. GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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January 23, 2015 at 3:27 am
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(January 23, 2015 at 12:14 am)Godschild Wrote: God's will cost Him a terrible price but, it was one He was willing to pay and paid it for all mankind. Jebus didn't pay any price if he's undying. Keep in mind obviously we (atheists) don't care because we don't believe Jebus was a gawd or there is a gawd to rebel against, so no original sin. We just don't care. Also vicarious redemption is insane.
It is very important not to mistake hemlock for parsley, but to believe or not believe in God is not important at all. - Denis Diderot
We are the United States of Amnesia, we learn nothing because we remember nothing. - Gore Vidal  RE: Worst Arguments For Christianity
January 23, 2015 at 3:33 am
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(January 23, 2015 at 3:27 am)Pizz-atheist Wrote:(January 23, 2015 at 12:14 am)Godschild Wrote: God's will cost Him a terrible price but, it was one He was willing to pay and paid it for all mankind. Hey, I'm sure it was an annoyance. He probably even missed the rematch Galilee Martyrs vs. Babylon United that night.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
(January 22, 2015 at 10:32 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:That's what he's confused by.(January 22, 2015 at 3:09 pm)robvalue Wrote: If there's no God then what's the point of life? Never understood that one.Simple. Purely physical processes just happen; they are not directed to any goals. If your life was a purely physical process then it could not support purposes and meanings. I don't think the universe is directed by a god. However, I don't think "purposes and meanings of life" is a well-enough defined idea to really matter since some people define it to mean goals given to life by humans. Most apologists will define it in such way as to smuggle their conclusion(God exists) into it by defining "meaning" as goal given by God or something like that. So the claim deflates into a trivial tautology. Or worst the argument becomes an appeal to wishful thinking.
It is very important not to mistake hemlock for parsley, but to believe or not believe in God is not important at all. - Denis Diderot
We are the United States of Amnesia, we learn nothing because we remember nothing. - Gore Vidal  RE: Worst Arguments For Christianity
January 23, 2015 at 4:31 am
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Thank you, yes
 That's assuming the person making it has enough brain cells to even be aware they are making such assumptions. For some I think it's an appeal to the "unacceptable!!!" I said I didn't understand it because it's not even an argument. Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists. Index of useful threads and discussions Index of my best videos Quickstart guide to the forum  (January 22, 2015 at 10:32 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:I can easily conceive existential nihilism given that we have no reason to believe that our consciousness survives brain death, that 99% of people who have ever lived are utterly obscure and unknown, and nobody's accomplishments will make any difference to anything when either our species, our planet, our solar system, or our Universe is annihilated. May I suggest a new creation! Yet the idea of purpose doesn't exactly seem to be satisfied in the idea of eternity either, regardless if it's one where in which we don't exist at all or one where we're sitting on golden thrones singing kumbaya. I mean the idea of an end is that it is itself purposeful, and death is definitely more intrinsically meaningful, given natural selection, than simply living for the sake of living or being some God's plaything.(January 22, 2015 at 3:09 pm)robvalue Wrote: If there's no God then what's the point of life? Never understood that one.Simple. Purely physical processes just happen; they are not directed to any goals. If your life was a purely physical process then it could not support purposes and meanings.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
 (January 22, 2015 at 10:32 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Simple. Purely physical processes just happen; they are not directed to any goals. If your life was a purely physical process then it could not support purposes and meanings. Would you care to support that statement at all, rather than just asserting it? Because I see no reason why a sufficiently advanced brain, composed as it is of physical processes, could not self-determine its own purpose and meaning. And please don't insult us both by demanding that all purpose and meaning needs to be externally derived, as I'm fairly sure you're going to; covering for one assertion with a second assertion is hardly good argumentation, but more importantly it's also not true, as plenty of human inventions began as additional purposes assigned to objects that didn't originally serve them once new properties or uses for those objects were discovered.
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January 23, 2015 at 1:56 pm
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I was thinking more along the lines of basic intentionality and sign/signified relationships. Those phenomena? would remain even if natural death is final.
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